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My understanding is that Rodan attends in Las Vegas. They have a big tent there.
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What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
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I think you've hit on something. Many of these so-called "intellectuals" are experiencing immense cognitive dissonance between what LDS say they believe (or used to believe) and what they actually do. I think the 'reform' idea is valid one. I know I would like to see certain things in LDS practice and doctrine change.
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We need more kindness, more understanding, and less hostility by all involved. We are probably not benefitted by "dogma" which really seems to have been a creature of the fourth century. Why would we want to become like unto the Fourth Century Church?
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Agreed.
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However, I can say with confidence that training aside (and maybe we need more), the principles on which they are based--why they exist and how they should be carried out--are very clear. There should be no doubt in the mind of the presiding officer and those included in the council that it is meant to be a step toward the ultimate repentance of the person involved. Also, regardless of the human frailties of lay leadership, we cannot absolve people of their responsibility for their own salvation. Even a poorly handled council, while no doubt making it much more difficult for the person to be welcomed back, is not ultimately to blame for a person's loss of blessings. You and you alone are responsible for your adherence to gospel doctrine. Elder Bednar's talk on being offended more or less emphasized this point. |
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Wishing for change in the church isn't necessarily in and of itself wrong, but publicly disagreement with the leadership is a violation these two tenets. Furthmore, it's my opinion that public disagreement with the church is a screaming sign that a person doesn't possess a belief that the church is led by continuing revelation and that God will eventually right any wrongs within His church and in His own due time. |
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Sometimes, they are their own worst enemies. OTOH, leaders should be discerning as the faithful who simply disagree and discuss their issues with those who are disinterested and seek contention. And I can agree God inspires his leaders without agreeing with your definition of "continuing revelation". I don't agree that the pipeline is like a high grade uplink to a satellite feed. More like a telegraph, difficult to use but there when necessary.
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There's no way that those entrusted with the entire church are getting 128-bit encrypted Morse code messages. |
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