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Obviously.
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05-14-2007, 06:07 PM | #34 |
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lol...okay, okay. You win.
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You know I find it interesting that the people I really directed the thread to have declined to comment. I mainly got responses from people I feel are reasonable and not apostate in their views.
I guess because it's not as socially acceptable to bash on prophets if they're living. Kinda backwards from what the norm is in that area. Huh. |
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I personally have a deep-seated issue with the contradictions between the way the LDS church talks about women and the way it treats them. On the one hand, yesterday's sacrament meeting in my congregation strung together a number of quotations about how women are God's ultimate and culminating creation . . . how there is no station higher than feminine motherhood/sisterhood/daughterhood . . . etc. Indeed, at practically every General Conference, the good ol' boys joke about how men are just a bunch of clueless louts, grateful that their noble, righteous, and virtuous wives will pull them to salvation. I think this practice degrades both women and men. On the other hand, if one sets aside this rhetoric, it becomes obvious that women have very little official say in church affairs. In the past 75 years, they have lost autonomy in the Relief Society, the ability to bless their own, and feminism has been identified as a threat to the church. Women make slightly but significantly different covenants in the temples, and access priesthood blessings only through a male agent. So, which is it? Are they the supreme creation of the universe? Or, are they second-class members in the Kingdom? [probably somewhere in between] I'm not advocating for women to receive the priesthood (it's not really my place), but I am advocating for the leaders of the church to lay aside the condescending double speak and quit the smoke-and-mirrors routine of worshiping womanhood while denying its basic equality with manhood. For whatever reason, righteous or corrupt, the LDS church is a male-led organization. Pious professions of female moral superiority are condescending and countermand actual practice. Instead of placing females on the proverbial pedestal, maybe the LDS leadership should take a hard look at its 'doctrines' and 'policies' with regards to administration and females. I don't have an alternative to suggest. I just think the rhetoric should go. I hold the leadership responsible for this paradoxical dichotomy between what LDS say and what they do. Sin? Probably not. Disingenuous? Definitely. Just my opinion, and I'm sure many will respond with "women don't need the priesthood like men do . . . it teaches service and compassion that women have naturally." I personally find this attitude quite condescending (as does my wife).
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05-14-2007, 11:06 PM | #39 |
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lol...the way they treat LDS women? Oh geez... Women get off EASY in the LDS Church.
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It sounds as if they're trying to get some later. I wish they'd stop pandering to one gender or another. It reminds me of the "player" at the club who panders to the women while the rest of the guys roll their eyes. Because the women lack authority, we have an uneasy tension about an all male leadership addresses women. How that is resolved in the future will be interesting.
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