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I said nothing of the sort and I gave a specific concrete example of how they were.
I'm not going to line item response to your post because half of what you said indicated you failed to, deliberately or otherwise, understand what I was saying. |
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Most of the articulation used your own words and then you repudiate their meaning, how is that poppycock?
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I voice my differing opinions all the time. However, there comes a time in the discussion where the branch president decides what is to be done. He's made that decision in light of or despite of what I and others in the meeting offered as alternative viewpoints. Ultimately, it's his call and it's not my place to override him; I don't have the authority. If I still disagree with him, what do I do? What avenues are available to me? I can't appoint myself bishop. Am I morally justified in going against his decision just because I don't agree with it? I certainly can bring up various topics again, and I have done precisely this before, but the decision still rests with him. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but ultimately it's not my call to make. |
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As Adam pointed out, I have never voiced my displeasure at anything the bishop might have done with any member of my ward. I would not seek to undermine his authority with other ward members. So I agree. Quote:
The only avenue the Church has created is an appeal to his file leader. Who is his file leader? Should we invoke this right often? No, only rarely, but if done tactfully, it may result in rare circumstances to an injustice being averted. Do you disagree?
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If there is something grossly out of line that the bishop is doing, then it might be appropriate for someone to voice their concerns to the high counselor or stake president (I'm not sure who is the appropriate contact here).
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And I am aware of only one instance, in a locale not in Vegas, where something went higher. The reason? It involved an indiscretion of a stake president, so a concern needed to be filed with his file leader. Whether it was fruitful or not, I do not know. But the person about whom the complaint was made, later ended up working together with the complainer, so ultimately all hard feelings, if any, were forgiven. It's okay to voice concerns if you know of things of significant importance. The question is, what is of significant importance? For you denial of temple recommends would be it. For somebody working with African American converts, ignoring matters sensitive to them may be. Having worked within the bureaucracy of the Church, if you wish to be successful, not just make a noise, it must be done delicately. A noisey production almost always fails. I've never seen a noisey matter get resolved to the complainer's satisfaction, but I have seen quiet matters resolved in a positive fashion.
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By this I know that the church is in good shape: when the inelegant handling of a choir number counts as a thing of "significant importance" to Archaea.
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She wished to see what to do for a matter that may be insignificant to you, but not to them. She was worried about their souls, you may not be. It was never an issue of choir music selection, but rather how the approach would appear to new converts coming from a different tradition, one with which you may be unfamiliar. I do not rate myself an expert on African American affairs, and am probably ill-informed about them. And they don't all resonate with me, because I'm not black. Yet, I intellectually acknowledge that they are important to blacks, and if black members are infused with this tradition, then I need to be sensitive to their sensitivities. One area of sensitivity that I have observed is music. In black subculture, music is of vital importance. So as they join the LDS fold and we become part of their communities so that there is no them and us, we need to be more sensitive to this issue. Is that a bad thing?
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I proudly return the title of "Most Hateful and Condescending Poster" back to you. And to think, this guy has the gall to bellyache over a perceived "angels of heaven" defense.
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An unnecessary slap, but you can handle it.
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