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Yes, false. It is objectively false that the Lamanites represent anything close to the "principle ancestors" of Native Americans. If they are ancestral at all, or ever existed at all, supportive evidence is still absent. That Lamanite blood is still present in some Native Americans isn't entirely disprovable, but the old doctrine of principle ancestry is and has been.
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I find unlikely they didn't. Seafaring peoples are likely to have stumbled over here. Now whether we have a record of one of those groups falls into the unprovable category, but that doesn't make it fantastical. I find nothing about ancient peoples taking to the seas as fantastical. You should see the meager craft Polynesians traverse very dangerous seas in. It is quite amazing.
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This is a change of subject though. A specific group of people from a specific place building a specific kind of boat and crossing the ocean at a specific time and for a specific reason is unlikely. People were quite nomadic back then, so it's entirely possible that some of those who crossed over had at one time passed through the middle east. That isn't what we're talking about here. |
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Now you state, because you disbelieve it all, that it is fantastical that Middle Eastern people in the materials available at that point in time couldn't have done it. What, they weren't smart enough? I agree it is unprovable whether the BoM is an ancient record of one of these journeys, but your claim that the basic journey is highly improbable for such naive and ignorant persons, I dispute. Have you ever seen the distances Tahitians travel in outriggers? Would want to make the same journey? I'm not certain I would. If the claim is plausible, that ancient peoples constructed craft watersafe enough, a small number could have bumbled across one or both seas. In most circumstances they would have landed elsewhere, but given the vast numbers that probably tried, some would have succeeded. We have Skandavian successes, Portuguese, Chinese successes and why not others? I imagine the Egyptians or Aryans from the Indic Valley or other peoples traversed the seas in small numbers and landed on the new continent.
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Please tell me you don't intend this as a dig at those who "criticize" the church leaders for perpetuating incorrect information.
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How dare we get it right! That's an outrage.
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