02-13-2008, 02:11 AM | #11 |
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Fascinating. Really. I love the story of Job. Not so much the end, which seems to have been the work of Hollywood screenwriters trying to come up with an ending that will send the crowd home satisfied. But the first 90% contains, for me at least, some great and deeply profound truths.
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Here are some of his points: 1. In the first part of Genesis 22, the verbs used when Abraham and Isaac go up to the mountain, the plural forms are used. However, in verse 19, Abraham returns alone, and the verb used for "returned" is definitely singular. "Abraham (singular) returned (singular)." 2. In verse 19, Abraham lives in Beer-sheba. In the first part of Genesis 23, Sarah dies and Abraham has to journey to Kirjath-arba to bury her, which is 30 miles from Beer-sheba. Is is possible that Sarah knew what Abraham was going to do and gave him a "if you return without my son, don't come back at all," ultimatum? 3. In Hebrew, the word we get "to offer" from (if I remember right) is "obla." "Obla" is the same word as "to go up," as when burnt offerings are made, the entire offering is consumed and goes up to God. Essentially, the word "to offer" implies a lot more in Hebrew than it does in English. To us, there is no implication of giving. We can offer things and have them rejected or choose to take them back. To a Jew, "to offer" means to go all the way... give it to God, entirely. 3a. Every time an apostle (Paul) or prophet (Nephi) references Abraham and Isaac, they use the word "offer." In Gen 22:16 it reads: And said, By myself have I sworn saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: One way to look at it is that God accepted Abraham's "offering" (English understanding) and Isaac was not sacrificed. But the Hebrew understanding of "offering" is a very final one. That's essentially it. My teacher was very clear about how this isn't doctrine; there are two ways to interpret the scriptures, and either story has the same doctrine behind it. And frankly, it doesn't matter. It's just something interesting. |
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I've read the accounts of Old Testament scholars who point out that chronologically speaking, Isaac would have been in his late 20's at the time of the sacrifice, which means Abraham would have been pushing 130. So that brings up a whole new point: that Isaac was willing to be sacrificed, for certainly he could have overpowered his old man.
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OK, that was funny.
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One of my favorite parts is when the friends/home teachers visit Job and take turns at trying to figure out why Job got on God's craplist. |
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