So BYU has its first recruiting penalty thanks to volleyball

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

What, a $17,000 payment from a booster to aid a player is an NCAA violation??? I had no idea!!!

It wasn't to a player. The aid came with the understanding that the person would not be eligible for collegiate athletics afterwards.

"What would any decent person have done?" asks Peterson. "This booster even now believes he did the
right thing for this young man, who later joined the LDS church. The booster told
the young man that if he accepted assistance he would not be able to play
volleyball for BYU. This defection and assistance given had nothing to do with
the recruitment of a volleyball player."

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It wasn't to a player. The aid came with the understanding that the person would not be eligible for collegiate athletics afterwards.

This doesn't sound like an obvious violation?

This representative also provided approximately $13,000 in impermissible recruiting inducements to another prospective men's volleyball student-athlete after the young man defected from Cuba and while participating with the Cuban National Volleyball Team in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. These impermissible inducements included use of an automobile, clothing and free lodging. The representative also paid approximately $8,000 in legal fees to attorneys assisting with the prospective student-athlete's immigration issues, which were associated with the young man's defection from Cuba. This prospect did not enroll at Brigham Young or at any NCAA member institution.

[MikeWaters]

Well at least BYU can't claim holier-than-thou status anymore. We're in the same boat as OK and SMU now. Of course, we are on the deck, while they are at the bottom of the boat in the muck. But same boat.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

This doesn't sound like an obvious violation?

The NCAA is using the broadest possible definition of a "prospective men's volleyball student-athlete".

This prospect did not enroll at Brigham Young or at any NCAA member institution.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The NCAA is using the broadest possible definition of a "prospective men's volleyball student-athlete".

So I make inducements to someone that I hope will play for BYU, but ends up not playing at BYU, then I have committed no wrong?

You know that's not true.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So I make inducements to someone that I hope will play for BYU, but ends up not playing at BYU, then I have committed no wrong?

You know that's not true.

I've already provided the quote that showed the assistance came WITH THE UNDERSTANDING that the person would no longer be eligible to participate in athletics. Thus, it's no inducement, and the NCAA has mischaracterized the assistance.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I've already provided the quote that showed the assistance came WITH THE UNDERSTANDING that the person would no longer be eligible to participate in athletics. Thus, it's no inducement, and the NCAA has mischaracterized the assistance.

So they say. Yeah, I gave the star Cuban volleyball player all this assistance with our private understanding this would mean he would not play for us.

Yeah, right.

I can see why the NCAA would be skeptical, and why you would not.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So they say. Yeah, I gave the star Cuban volleyball player all this assistance with our private understanding this would mean he would not play for us.

Yeah, right.

Maybe they should have put him in Guantanamo. The assistance was clearly humanitarian in nature and clearly not an effort to win a recruiting war. The person signed no LOI and did not appeal his eligibility. There is no evidence that he received assistance while BYU viewed him as a recruitable athlete.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Maybe they should have put him in Guantanamo. The assistance was clearly humanitarian in nature and clearly not an effort to win a recruiting war. The person signed no LOI and did not appeal his eligibility. There is no evidence that he received assistance while BYU viewed him as a recruitable athlete.

Who cares if he signed an LOI? All that does is bind you to go somewhere to play. Instead, he just enrolled and played for 2 years.

It looks bad, Indy. Even you should be able to admit that.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Who cares if he signed an LOI? All that does is bind you to go somewhere to play. Instead, he just enrolled and played for 2 years.

It looks bad, Indy. Even you should be able to admit that.

The player in question did not play for anyone. It's not Cala.

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