An interesting statistic in the health care debate

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

Snipe wouldn't approve of your likely interpretation of Mosiah 4.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=3615777

Thanks for that link. I really am interested in hearing what Snipe and others of his thinking believe Mosiah 4 means (particularly in the context of King Benjamin's entire sermon in Mosiah, which I find to be the greatest sermon recorded in the Book of Mormon from someone not named Jesus). All they say is, "that isn't what it means." Ok, what does it mean?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I hate the media. You take an Indiana survey and extrapolate it to the entire nation?

What a bunch of f...ing liars.

and Mike may be a good physician but he doesn't know shizz about health care finance but he appears to buy whatever crap is being sold at the local level.

Physicians will not see their incomes increase through socialized medicine, except perhaps primary care. Specialists will be screwed, but in terms of political and financial acumen, despite otherwise high IQs, physicians are generally dumb.

Someone really needs to start up the Archaea Encyclopedia of Gross Generalizations.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Thanks for that link. I really am interested in hearing what Snipe and others of his thinking believe Mosiah 4 means (particularly in the context of King Benjamin's entire sermon in Mosiah, which I find to be the greatest sermon recorded in the Book of Mormon from someone not named Jesus). All they say is, "that isn't what it means." Ok, what does it mean?

Hey, Cali. I'm a poor married college student with a kid and lots of student loans. I know you've got spare money... would you mind sending me a check for a couple thousand dollars? It'd really help me out. I'll boardmail you my address.

Thanks in advance.

[il Padrino Ute]

My complaint about national healthcare is that it would mean that I would be required to pay more in taxes. I never said that I didn't have compassion for others, but it was interpreted as such.

If it happens and I have to pay higher taxes, then so be it. I'm not going to jeopardize my or my kids' future because I don't want to pay taxes. I'll just bitch about it and cut out things that aren't necessary in order to provide for my family.

And when I asked those who support it if they're willing to pay their portion of a tax increase and mine as well, nobody would answer. Mike and Cali both tried to tell me that I have no compassion. I'll admit that I'm not as compassionate as others, but I can't fake something that I'm not. However, I'd rather take care of the poor than the middle class because I believe that the middle class are in the same position that I am and are capable of doing what they need to do to get medical care. They just have to want to do it.

Also, Mike and Cali by not answering my question about paying my increase as well as their own tells me one thing - their compassion for others has a limit as well. They seem willing to pay higher taxes for socialized medicine as long as everybody else has to do it. But they're not willing to pay more to make up the cost if those of us against it won't pay for it.

I am who I am. I don't think I should take of others who are capable of taking care of themselves, especially at the expense of my family. If that makes me uncompassionate, then so be it. That would be my burden.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

My complaint about national healthcare is that it would mean that I would be required to pay more in taxes. I never said that I didn't have compassion for others, but it was interpreted as such.

If it happens and I have to pay higher taxes, then so be it. I'm not going to jeopardize my or my kids' future because I don't want to pay taxes. I'll just bitch about it and cut out things that aren't necessary in order to provide for my family.

And when I asked those who support it if they're willing to pay their portion of a tax increase and mine as well, nobody would answer. Mike and Cali both tried to tell me that I have no compassion. I'll admit that I'm not as compassionate as others, but I can't fake something that I'm not. However, I'd rather take care of the poor than the middle class because I believe that the middle class are in the same position that I am and are capable of doing what they need to do to get medical care. They just have to want to do it.

Also, Mike and Cali by not answering my question about paying my increase as well as their own tells me one thing - their compassion for others has a limit as well. They seem willing to pay higher taxes for socialized medicine as long as everybody else has to do it. But they're not willing to pay more to make up the cost if those of us against it won't pay for it.

I am who I am. I don't think I should take of others who are capable of taking care of themselves, especially at the expense of my family. If that makes me uncompassionate, then so be it. That would be my burden.

It isn't an issue of not wanting to pay your increase. You are asking if I personally would shoulder your responsibility. The answer is no, unless you really need it. If I am going to take on that responsibility for another, I will be judicious in the use of my limited resources and help those who need the most help first. If you are in that camp, then yes, I will shoulder your burden too.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It isn't an issue of not wanting to pay your increase. You are asking if I personally would shoulder your responsibility. The answer is no, unless you really need it. If I am going to take on that responsibility for another, I will be judicious in the use of my limited resources and help those who need the most help first. If you are in that camp, then yes, I will shoulder your burden too.

Are you saying that if I am able it is my responsibility to pay more taxes, you wouldn't be willing to pay my increase?

If so, then your compassion does have a limit. It's not what mine is, but that limit exists.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Hey, Cali. I'm a poor married college student with a kid and lots of student loans. I know you've got spare money... would you mind sending me a check for a couple thousand dollars? It'd really help me out. I'll boardmail you my address.

Thanks in advance.

Cali's silence speaks volumes.

He just lost all credibility on this issue.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Are you saying that if I am able it is my responsibility to pay more taxes, you wouldn't be willing to pay my increase?

If so, then your compassion does have a limit. It's not what mine is, but that limit exists.

No, it isn't a limit on compassion. It is a limit on resources. I only have so much I can give, and so I have to prioritize where that money goes.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Cali's silence speaks volumes.

He just lost all credibility on this issue.

?? Your question is the exact same as Il Pad's. Were you wanting the same answer typed out but just for you? I assumed, apparently incorrectly, that you were literate and capable of seeing the response to another person and then extrapolating that the response to you would be the same.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No, it isn't a limit on compassion. It is a limit on resources. I only have so much I can give, and so I have to prioritize where that money goes.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

My problem is that you have decided what my priorities are.