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If it were diminished in the same way that the Bible is diminished how could we champion it as a second witness of the precious truths that can be found in the Old and New Testaments? The book of Mormon is what it is, time will bear it out. For all of the evidences trotted out about ancient civilizations by various experts the only constant is that there is no certainty. |
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Speak for yourself. The Bible's stock has never been higher among serious academics and students of history. The Bible, for all its fanciful stories, is a valuable piece of evidence archeologically corroborated in many ways (as OxCoug has noted) as well as confirmed by linguistic and cultural eveidence. We know for certain that the Bible gave birth to the three great monotheistic religions that have left their imprint everywhere.
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However, academics and serious students of history today dismiss the numbers of soldiers recorded by the ancient and medieval European chroniclers of history as fanciful. The greatest size of army that could be logistically sustained in those days and remain cohesive (I'm talking about feeding them, their baggage trains, communicating with them, etc.) is maybe 40,000, probably significantly less. For example, historians have recognized that an army of maybe 20,000 Visigoths sacked Rome, with its millions of inhabitants who stood by and watched.
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So your response to me is to link two articles about 12,000 year old ruins in Turkey. In Turkey! I have a challenge for you. I've said there's no evidence to support the Book of Mormon. None. I could marshal a great deal that goes the other way including "translated" text that was cribbed from the KJV, talk of horses and steel, etc. You want to have it both ways. You don't want to abandon claims of historicity and still hold out for some occult archeological dig with all the old world animals and implements of steel and gold books described in the B of M. Just give me a mustard seed of evidence. Give me a speck. No one would give it fair consideration like I would, I promise you. I bet you can't do that.
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Did I write that? Check. It takes tens of thousands of years. A lot longer than 2,600, let's put it that way.
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Indy, it's patently false that it's easy to imagine an acient army could have hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
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As far as 2,600 vs tens of thousands of years go, the Book of Mormon is relatively moot on the existence of other peoples. Last edited by Indy Coug; 06-03-2008 at 04:12 PM. |
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