Interesting info re Pres. Monson

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Do you think we should go easy on women in general? Yes or no.

If they post on here and make stupid comments like Requiem (assuming "she" was actually a woman)? No.

If they happen to be guilty of nothing more than being married to a public figure but do nothing to draw attention to themselves? Yes.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Do you think we should go easy on women in general? Yes or no.

Do you?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Maybe I am way out of line here (Rocky can let me know), but I have noticed that many of us often get upset when someone makes frank comments about someone's wife. While I understand the sentiment, I can't help but feel like we are being more than a little patronizing/sexist. I.e., protecting the "weaker sex". For example, suppose we were discussing a famous woman and someone made a negative comment about that person's husband. Would we see a similar kind of chivalry? I doubt it.

Ironically, SU often posts information on his wife's work and takes tons of abuse. Why the double standard? Is it because she is a strong, intelligent, career woman? I admire how SU handles it. He doesn't get too worked up about it.

DOn't you see a difference? SU is here and posted it voluntarily. President Monson is not here (is he?) and his wife is very low profile. Additionally, from my point of view, I choose to try to offer respect for them both and avoid derogatory language.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by pelagius

Okay, I will reveal myself as a Mullah (myboynoah, I am with you now).

I consider President Monson a public figure so I dont mind the speculation so much for him (I think its a bit silly) but the speculation about Sister Monson is in poor taste in my view. Particularly labeling her as a "hag." I understand she has some public profile but its fairly modest. Now if someone writes a hagiographic biography about her then I would be symphatetic to more realistic portraits but I don't think we are at that point ...

P.S.

Yes MW, I will nominate myself for mullah of the year

Great. Now we'll split the hardliner vote and Tex will slip in on the backs of the pinko moderates.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Maybe I am way out of line here (Rocky can let me know), but I have noticed that many of us often get upset when someone makes frank comments about someone's wife. While I understand the sentiment, I can't help but feel like we are being more than a little patronizing/sexist. I.e., protecting the "weaker sex". For example, suppose we were discussing a famous woman and someone made a negative comment about that person's husband. Would we see a similar kind of chivalry? I doubt it.

Ironically, SU often posts information on his wife's work and takes tons of abuse. Why the double standard? Is it because she is a strong, intelligent, career woman? I admire how SU handles it. He doesn't get too worked up about it.

I have always spoken positively about SU's wife.

Based on her video, she has a nice pair of gams and a nice set of yams.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

DOn't you see a difference? SU is here and posted it voluntarily. President Monson is not here (is he?) and his wife is very low profile. Additionally, from my point of view, I choose to try to offer respect for them both and avoid derogatory language.

But Jeff's point is would you care if she weren't a she. I hope I'm not being sexist here but it's just my personal observation that women litigtors are in general more hard bitten and ruthless than male litigators. But I realize this is a generalization and my experience may not be complete. FWIW.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

But Jeff's point is would you care if she weren't a she. I hope I'm not being sexist here but it's just my personal observation that women litigtors are in general more hard bitten and ruthless than male litigators. But I realize this is a generalization and my experience may not be complete. FWIW.

SUre I would care. I think you will find that I have not made comments about your wife. I also try to avodi making jokes or derogatory statements about church leaders. Apart from public figures, as Pelagius notes, such remakrs abotu persons not here to defend themselves seem improper to me. TObe onest, it probabyl bothers me more for women than men, but it still seems wrong to me.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

But Jeff's point is would you care if she weren't a she. I hope I'm not being sexist here but it's just my personal observation that women litigtors are in general more hard bitten and ruthless than male litigators. But I realize this is a generalization and my experience may not be complete. FWIW.

I have noticed that the older female partners at my firm are almost, without exception, all stereotypical b*****s.....at least the ones I have met. Don't get me wrong...they are all extremely intelligent, capable, they bring in lots of revenue, they are strong leaders, etc.....but they are not well-liked, often difficult to work with, and sometimes nasty.

The younger female partners not so much...I mean the women that are in their late 30s, early 40s.

I chalk it up to a product of their times. The older female partners had to shatter the glass ceiling in the post-Womens Lib era. I would imagine that in order to prove themselves in the boys club, they had to show these hard characteristics to gain the respect of their male peers. After behaving in such a manner for so long, it just becomes how you operate professionally.

The newer female partners are benefitting from the path that was blazed before them by the b*****s, so there is less of a need to be hyper-aggressive to prove your mettle. I am not suggesting that barriers are eliminated, but I do think it is likely much better now for women in the workplace than it was in the 70s and 80s.

[marsupial]

Is it just me or have I heard the thing about no props or asking the congregation to read scriptures in Sacrament talks before? I am sure this is not the first time this has been said. Perhaps it just came down from the local level in the past, but I know I have heard it before.

Also, danimal served with Pres. Hinckley's granddaughter. She said her grandpa was often pretty grumpy. It's hard to imagine him as such, but we all have personal lives. I am not surprised at all to hear that Pres. Monson had a fiery temper.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by marsupial

Is it just me or have I heard the thing about no props or asking the congregation to read scriptures in Sacrament talks before? I am sure this is not the first time this has been said. Perhaps it just came down from the local level in the past, but I know I have heard it before.

The restriction on audio visuals has been inplace for a long time. The one about not asking others to open sriptures was new to me.