10-30-2008, 01:16 AM | #71 | |
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I heard today that our Stake Pres is calling some individual members of our Stake and asking for donations to support Prop. 8. Since when do Texans care what happens in such a comparably insignificant state like California? Funny how some members have such a difficult time taking the Church leaders at their word when they express tolerance for mild and respectful dissent within the ranks. Most of said members are current or future Bishops and Stake Presidents. |
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10-30-2008, 01:23 AM | #72 |
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Well, if hindsight is 20-20, where would you have been on the civil rights movement in the 1960s? What would you have been thinking while the leadership blantantly discriminated against people of color for 14 years after the civil rights act of 1964 was passed? Spencer Kimball was quoted as saying the leadership prayed about it every night -- assuming this started around the time of the passage of the civil rights act, it means you believe the LDS prophets and GAs prayed for 5000 nights before they got the right answer from God? So why sweat any disagreement with LDS leaders on social issues.
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10-30-2008, 01:27 AM | #73 | |
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The Prop 8 makes me worry about lost political capital for the church. The Church is not about change, so it is doubtful it will ever be on the cutting edge of any social issue. Because of the harm which will inure to its public image, perhaps silence at all times is in its best interests.
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10-30-2008, 02:56 AM | #74 |
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I think I agree with you on this. I guess I am just feeling insecure because it was finally mentioned by the Bish. (per request from the Church) over the pulpit last Sunday and we live in Virginia. I guess I was a little jumbled/shaken - I don't know the right word. But the bottom line is, I don't know how I feel about Prop 8. And because I don't know how I feel, I feel guilt. As if by not contributing to the cause of Prop 8 I am against God or something. THAT is a crappy feeling to have.
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10-30-2008, 05:00 AM | #76 | |
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If I were a CA resident, I would support and vote for prop 8. I believe it is the right thing to do. |
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10-30-2008, 06:24 AM | #77 |
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So, I made phone calls tonight. Fortunately, I didn't have to try to convince anyone to vote for Prop 8.
A business owner in our ward has been letting us use the 50-60 phones he has in his office to make phone calls 2-3 times a week. A guy near me rolled over to my cubicle after he made a phone call. He apparently made the statement that's on the script about how registered domestic partners have the same rights under California law that married people do. The person on the phone told him they don't have the same federal tax benefits. He asked me how to respond to that. I told him it's true. The script is technically true, but misleading. Unfortunately for the church, well-informed people won't fall for the points of the script. Fortunately for the church, there aren't tons of well-informed people on those issues. Our stake is passing out 150,000 door hangars on Saturday. Of course we're doing it - my mother-in-law is one of the ward Prop. 8 coordinators. Yay!!
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10-30-2008, 08:00 AM | #78 |
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The Prop 8 Campaign and the church know that most voters aren't well informed on this issue. That's why the ad campaigns from the pro Prop 8 camp are so despicable. It's embarrassing that the church is part of a campaign spreading lies and preying on fear.
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I think we're from the same neighborhood. Kirby was in my ward, although he's older than I am. His parents were still living there when I was a teenager.
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