11-10-2008, 05:33 PM | #1 |
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My brief discussion with a fellow ward member
He says "I've been hearing a lot of stuff about gay rights from my clients, who are mostly liberal. That we are against gay rights. Prop 8 or something? I told them it's not true."
I then apprised him of the situation. "Oh. I need to talk to you later about this." |
11-10-2008, 06:35 PM | #2 |
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Hopefully you told him the Churches response to Prop 8, and not some Waters version of what the Church has counseled?
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11-10-2008, 08:08 PM | #3 |
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11-10-2008, 08:22 PM | #4 |
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Uh... Excuse me. Mr. Corleone? (Cough... Cough...)
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11-10-2008, 10:51 PM | #5 |
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Proposition 8 isn't about "rights". Equal rights for registered domestic partnerships are already guaranteed by California state law under the California Family Code Section 297.5. I'm not sure what it is all about but it's not about equal rights. IMO it must be about equal "verbiage" b/c they already have all the rights, benefits, and privileges that married couples do in the state.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...file=297-297.5 "297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules, government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses." The thing I hate about the whole ordeal is the horrible precedent that it would have set where the people already voted overwhelmingly on something (see Proposition 22 in 2000 - 61% YES vote) and having that overturned by a few liberal yippy yahoo judges who feel it's within their rights to legislate from the bench. |
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Just maybe you can wrap your ahead around the fact that it is about rights. |
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11-10-2008, 11:06 PM | #7 |
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Wrap your head around that. |
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"It is important to understand that this issue for the Church has always been about the sacred and divine institution of marriage — a union between a man and a woman." "Allegations of bigotry or persecution made against the Church were and are simply wrong. The Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians. Even more, the Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches." http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/...otes#continued
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1. Against civil unions and domestic parternships with same rights as marriage. 2. Against adoption by gays in such relationships. PWNED. |
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