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View Poll Results: Great Apostasy? | |||
Yes, the Original Truth was fully revealed and lost through the machinations of men | 7 | 46.67% | |
Yes the Pristine Church was perfect and corrupted by orthodox | 2 | 13.33% | |
No, the early Church was in its infancy and lacked direction | 2 | 13.33% | |
No the early Church had priesthood keys which were lost, but did not result in a great apostasy | 4 | 26.67% | |
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07-06-2008, 11:22 PM | #21 |
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You said where we are today is because of the RCC. I asked, "where are we today?"
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07-07-2008, 03:45 AM | #22 |
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I read "The Great Apostasy" on my mission. Even as a brain washed young pup I was shocked at how poorly written it was, and the facile dismissal of two thousand years of history, and crude anti-Catholicism. I read "Jesus the Christ," and it has left almost no impression on me at all. This is unusual, because as you may have noted, when I take the time to read a complicated book I usually drill down, spend time reading it, remember lines, rearead passages, etc. It becomes a part of me. All I remember about Jesus the Christ is that it was extremely derivative when it didn't engage in flights of fancy about events for which there is no legitimate historical record at all.
There are many Mormon scholars like B.H. Roberts, Henry Eyring, Rex Lee, and Sterlign McMurrin for which I have a lot of respect. From what I've seen, Talmage was a pretender.
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07-07-2008, 03:47 AM | #23 | |
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07-07-2008, 04:05 AM | #24 |
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I'm not usually impressed with or intertested in any internicene feuds within monotheism (except the ones long ago that were accompanied by swords and lances, etc.). So, no, I find the meat ax like Talmage used equally unintresting when wielded at Mormons by rival religious groups.
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07-07-2008, 04:13 AM | #25 |
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Where do you get this nonsensical chauvensim? Paine would not have been interested in Mormonism's magic world view. He'd have been hostile to it if it affected his life at all. Actually, the founders' atheism or deism or whatever you want to call it was indispensable to their fitness to accomplish the radical and brilliant reforms achieved.
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01-16-2018, 03:40 AM | #27 | |
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That's apostasy of authority. Apostasy of truth is much easier to demonstrate. It's much easier to trace how homoousios, creation ex nihilo, rejection of divine embodiment, etc. entered Christianity.
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