Gay Mormons committing suicide

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I never said that people don't have a right to their opinions. In your world I am not allowed to have an opinion.

The way you have reacted, all I can say is this: shot birds flutter.

I'll just let this go. P.S. I own you in this argument.

[Levin]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I dare say.

I dare say you dare say a lot of things.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I'll just let this go. P.S. I own you in this argument.

I am obligated by my past positions to support the forces that oppose gay marriage?

Link?

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by T Blue

So I guess it is up to me to go to the WWW and find if Spencer Kimball really said this verbatim?

I can't ever recall this being promoted, talked about, discussed, taught, etc, etc...... in any of the young mens lessons I was involved in, must have been the ones I missed while I was out jacking off.

While I might agree with you that it is possible that a part of the homosexual urge is "born" into them, why are some families totally passed over with this "gene" and others have several members who are so lucky toi have been blessed with it during the same era, IOW several brothers and maybe sisters have homosexual tendencies??

Are you saying this is like some form of birth disease, like downs syndrome? I guess some of these people just weren't very valiant in heaven hey??

Yeah, I pulled this quote from an obscure little publication of his called "The Miracle of Forgiveness", first few paragraphs on the chapter on homosexuality.
Ever heard of it?

I don't understand your second question. Are you really asking why a genetic predisposition completely passes over some families? Do you know what genetic means?

[Levin]

Originally Posted by Adam

In 2000 during the Church's last spasmodic homophobic tilting at windmills California campaign, four gay members of Christ's church went to the church building, where the members would meet on weeknights and organize their political canvasing and pamphleteering, and took their life in agony over their church's blatant attack on their civil rights.

You can pretend that it is the esoteric law of chastity alone (under our current puritanical view of it--and I really mean inspired by the Puritans) that causes pain among our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. That the church's actions and public crusades don't have any affect. But you would be wrong.

I would think that the spiritual anguish would be the main motivation for suicide instead of anger at the church's political positions. Not saying the latter doesn't play a part, but you're making the cause and effect too clean and smooth between political stances and the suicides.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Adam

In 2000 during the Church's last spasmodic homophobic tilting at windmills California campaign, four gay members of Christ's church went to the church building, where the members would meet on weeknights and organize their political canvasing and pamphleteering, and took their life in agony over their church's blatant attack on their civil rights.

You can pretend that it is the esoteric law of chastity alone (under our current puritanical view of it--and I really mean inspired by the Puritans) that causes pain among our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. That the church's actions and public crusades don't have any affect. But you would be wrong.

Was the LDS church's stance on homosexual marriage really the cause of their suicides? Or are you just trolling?

[ERCougar]

Why do homosexual members commit suicide? There's obviously no easy answer, but the homophobia of church members must play a large role. If it's all about spiritual anguish, why don't we see the same scenes played out with adulterers?

To the extent that fighting gay marriage engenders or encourages homophobia, the church's stance may contribute to suicides.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

To the extent that fighting gay marriage engenders or encourages homophobia, the church's stance may contribute to suicides.

Exactly, and when you're buying gasoline you're contributing to terrorism.

[fusnik11]

Let me relate my family's experience with a gay member of the family committing suicide.

At a funeral of a gay gentlemen a small group of church leadership gathered thereafter. In this informal meeting concern was expressed by a family member of mine concerning the eternal well being of an openly gay member who lives with his partner. A senior apostle, one who most here would have large amounts of against because of his public diatribes against homosexual relationships, kindly held and pulled aside my cousins parents and said, 'he will be fine' and 'the Lord in the end will take care of him.'

Now what he meant I will never know, but it makes my family believe that behind the shrouded demeanor of indifference towards homosexuality, there are still some in high positions of leadership that believe the tent might be big enough for all of us 'in the end.'

[T Blue]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

Yeah, I pulled this quote from an obscure little publication of his called "The Miracle of Forgiveness", first few paragraphs on the chapter on homosexuality.
Ever heard of it?

I don't understand your second question. Are you really asking why a genetic predisposition completely passes over some families? Do you know what genetic means?

Genetics??

NOWHERE in this family history from the past is there evidence of homosexuality, NOWHERE.

All of the sudden the "Genetics" kick in and this family has two boys and a daughter who might be gay. Yeah, sounds like the "GENE" was just waiting to unleash itself in one family.

I am not discounting "GENETICS" I just think there is a whole lot mroe to it than just "GENETICS." These kids were raised by a terrible overbearing mother, and a mostly absent father. Later when to no ones surprise they get divorced, the kids start showing a profound interest in, let's say, alternate behavior. Mommy encourages it as "free" thinking, often telling them how cute it is that they have such wonderful "male" friends.
Dad is all freaked out due to his leadership position in the LDS Church, but what can he do but love his kids, after all they are pretty much all he's got left. Mom meanwhile is in full support of how these kids are acting, going so far as to drive them to see their boyfriends. She is loving every minute of it because of how it is upsetting dear old Dad, in fact rumor has it that Mom now swings both ways, and often pimps herself out to the paying customer.

But as you say it is all "Genetics"

As for the miracle of forgiveness; thanks for the reference, I will read it with interest what Gods Prophet has to say concerning Homosexuality, or is he not considered Gods prophet anymore because he just isn't enough with the times anymore for you?