Monson: Gay Marriage Fight in CA 'Is Our Gettysburg'

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Levin

Maybe if I had a son who was struggling in adolescence with confused sexual inclinations it would be even more important for me. A society that accepts gay marriage condones gay sex, and the social support for what we are to teach our children is broken down.

Change your scenario to an adult son.

Good luck with that.

I wonder if some parents of LDS gay children, are secretly happy when they commit suicide. It's not something they would are utter or fully consider even in their own minds.

"Ah yes, there is justice, and a Lord who will not be mocked."

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I wonder if some parents of LDS gay children, are secretly happy when they commit suicide. It's not something they would are utter or fully consider even in their own minds.

You mean in the same sense that family members are relieved when a chronically, terminally ill relative passes away and moves on to a better place where they don't have to suffer any longer?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by creekster

To the contrary, I am the one giving you full credit. I don't think you are trolling. I take you at your word.

It's at moments like these that I actually hope he's trolling:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I wonder if some parents of LDS gay children, are secretly happy when they commit suicide.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by Levin

Maybe if I had a son who was struggling in adolescence with confused sexual inclinations it would be even more important for me. A society that accepts gay marriage condones gay sex, and the social support for what we are to teach our children is broken down.

I've seen the hardest of hardliners soften when their son came out of the closet. It is easy to say in theory what you would do if your son were gay, but somehow I doubt you would react in the way that you imagine if you actually experienced it.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Levin

A society that accepts gay marriage condones gay sex, and the social support for what we are to teach our children is broken down.

For someone so opposed to gay sex, you certainly have a flair for the dramatic. Why keep hiding behind gay marriage as a metaphor for all things homosexual?

Gay sex is already "condoned" by our society....you can adopt kids, you can hold a job, you can fight in the army, you can own property, you can pretty much do whatever you want (except get married) if you are currently having gay sex.

Also, if gay marriage is legalized, you can still teach your children that it is wrong.....see also: abortion, alcohol, fornication, cigarettes, going to the store on Sunday, profanity, and a host of other things. What would prevent you from doing this? Why would social support for our teachings break down? Is everyone but the Mormons going to magically support gay marriage once it becomes legal?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

I've seen the hardest of hardliners soften when their son came out of the closet. It is easy to say in theory what you would do if your son were gay, but somehow I doubt you would react in the way that you imagine if you actually experienced it.

And I've seen them not soften.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

You mean in the same sense that family members are relieved when a chronically, terminally ill relative passes away and moves on to a better place where they don't have to suffer any longer?

That's one possibility.

Another one is a sense of justice. As in God strikes down the evil.

I mean, it's not so far removed from reality. For example, I know of a family where one of the daughters strayed morally, and the father basically disowned her and when they had another child said that it was the child to replace the one that he lost.

That's pretty hardcore. And I wouldn't have thought it would be the case.

(my info on this one is second-hand so I can't vouch for the accuracy).

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Flystripper

I've seen the hardest of hardliners soften when their son came out of the closet. It is easy to say in theory what you would do if your son were gay, but somehow I doubt you would react in the way that you imagine if you actually experienced it.

Probably not. Who can say for sure how they would react?

Why must we confuse the laws of God with compassion for the transgressor? If I had a gay son, I would most likely be very conflicted, but I don't think I would espouse changing the gospel. I would not likely become a drug-legalization advocate if I my son became a drug addict. I would not likely become a polygamy activist if my son went and married three women.

We give homosexuality a special dispensation here because we've bought into the idea that because someone has a weakness/temptation toward this sin, that it should be normalized.

That doesn't mean we spit on anyone, especially of our own flesh. But we do not excuse the behavior either.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Tex

Probably not. Who can say for sure how they would react?

Why must we confuse the laws of God with compassion for the transgressor? If I had a gay son, I would most likely be very conflicted, but I don't think I would espouse changing the gospel. I would not likely become a drug-legalization advocate if I my son became a drug addict. I would not likely become a polygamy activist if my son went and married three women.

We give homosexuality a special dispensation here because we've bought into the idea that because someone has a weakness/temptation toward this sin, that it should be normalized.

That doesn't mean we spit on anyone, especially of our own flesh. But we do not excuse the behavior either.

would you accept his partner into your family? (family vacations/holidays)

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

And I've seen them not soften.

No doubt. All I am saying is that the reaction that you imagine yourself having will not likely be the reaction that you have. Dealing with this issue in your immediate family has a way of shaping your beliefs that no theoretical discussion can provide.