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[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Tex

Somehow I doubt the number of repentant, worthy former multiple-partner adulterer/fornicators prohibited from service is so great as to have any appreciable impact on the work. Call me crazy.

I don't know. It would have eliminated several missionaries in my mission, including the best AP we had. It would eliminated Corianton and probably Alma and Paul, maybe Enos, possibly Joseph Smith, depending on the timing of the marriage to Fannie Alger.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I don't know. It would have eliminated several missionaries in my mission, including the best AP we had. It would eliminated Corianton and probably Alma and Paul, maybe Enos, possibly Joseph Smith, depending on the timing of the marriage to Fannie Alger.

Really? Please, enlighten me. I'd like to read the passages of the Book of Mormon that state Corianton, Alma, and Enos had multiple-partners, one long-term extramarital partner, or a homosexual partner.

Ditto Paul and the Bible.

The Joseph Smith argument we've already had, and can leave for another day.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Tex

Really? Please, enlighten me. I'd like to read the passages of the Book of Mormon that state Corianton, Alma, and Enos had multiple-partners, one long-term extramarital partner, or a homosexual partner.

Ditto Paul and the Bible.

The Joseph Smith argument we've already had, and can leave for another day.

The handbook implies more than once with one partner, so you do it more than once regardless of same partner or two, you're out.

Paul murdered Stephen, I'd say it counts. Enos wrestles with the Lord to receive remission of sins, this is before he has witness of the gospel. I'm assuming here. How many young adults do you know with no witness of the gospel where a wrestle with God is required to retain forgiveness have abstained from sex?

Alma 36:13 Yea, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for
which I was tormented with the pains of hell; yea, I saw that I
had rebelled against my God, and that I had not kept his holy
commandments.

Alma 36:14 Yea, and I had murdered many of his children, or
rather led them away unto destruction; yea, and in fine so great
had been my iniquities, that the very thought of coming into the
presence of my God did rack my soul with inexpressible horror.

Probably safe to say Alma's sins were at least as serious as having sex twice. It's a stretch to assume he was abtaining from sex during this sinful rampage.

Corianton: We know he did it once. Did he do it twice? I guess we don't know. Not a stretch to assume he did, though, right?

How many other apostles and prophets or missionaries had sex more than once before they obtained their witness of the gospel?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The handbook implies more than once with one partner, so you do it more than once regardless of same partner or two, you're out.

Paul murdered Stephen, I'd say it counts. Enos wrestles with the Lord to receive remission of sins, this is before he has witness of the gospel. I'm assuming here. How many young adults do you know with no witness of the gospel where a wrestle with God is required to retain forgiveness have abstained from sex?

Alma 36:13 Yea, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for
which I was tormented with the pains of hell; yea, I saw that I
had rebelled against my God, and that I had not kept his holy
commandments.

Alma 36:14 Yea, and I had murdered many of his children, or
rather led them away unto destruction; yea, and in fine so great
had been my iniquities, that the very thought of coming into the
presence of my God did rack my soul with inexpressible horror.

Probably safe to say Alma's sins were at least as serious as having sex twice. It's a stretch to assume he was abtaining from sex during this sinful rampage.

Corianton: We know he did it once. Did he do it twice? I guess we don't know. Not a stretch to assume he did, though, right?

How many other apostles and prophets or missionaries had sex more than once before they obtained their witness of the gospel?

I just get a kick out of you trying to attribute specific sins in the absence of any specifics. Maybe Alma the Younger was busy trying to talk bad about the leaders of the church on an internet messageboard in an effort to lead people away from the church.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I just get a kick out of you trying to attribute specific sins in the absence of any specifics. Maybe Alma the Younger was busy trying to talk bad about the leaders of the church on an internet messageboard in an effort to lead people away from the church.

LOL.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The handbook implies more than once with one partner, so you do it more than once regardless of same partner or two, you're out.

Paul murdered Stephen, I'd say it counts. Enos wrestles with the Lord to receive remission of sins, this is before he has witness of the gospel. I'm assuming here. How many young adults do you know with no witness of the gospel where a wrestle with God is required to retain forgiveness have abstained from sex?

Alma 36:13 Yea, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for
which I was tormented with the pains of hell; yea, I saw that I
had rebelled against my God, and that I had not kept his holy
commandments.

Alma 36:14 Yea, and I had murdered many of his children, or
rather led them away unto destruction; yea, and in fine so great
had been my iniquities, that the very thought of coming into the
presence of my God did rack my soul with inexpressible horror.

Probably safe to say Alma's sins were at least as serious as having sex twice. It's a stretch to assume he was abtaining from sex during this sinful rampage.

Corianton: We know he did it once. Did he do it twice? I guess we don't know. Not a stretch to assume he did, though, right?

How many other apostles and prophets or missionaries had sex more than once before they obtained their witness of the gospel?

I think if you actually took a look at leaders, non-religious, you will find most have a different opinion of sex than those who abscribe to religious right principles.

I myself abscribe and would teach the religious right principles on sex, but the fact is most leaders in their youth (outside of religious leaders) did not.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The handbook implies more than once with one partner, so you do it more than once regardless of same partner or two, you're out.

I guess I'm gonna have to start bringing the handbook to work so I can dispel some of these myths you like to propagate. I'm pretty sure the phrase is "over an extended period of time" not "more than once" but I'll have to get back to you.

Either way, as Indy said, it's amusing to watch you make up stuff on the fly. Maybe you could get a job writing for Sooner.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I think if you actually took a look at leaders, non-religious, you will find most have a different opinion of sex than those who abscribe to religious right principles.

I myself abscribe and would teach the religious right principles on sex, but the fact is most leaders in their youth (outside of religious leaders) did not.

Most persons, outside of some discreet religious sects, do not.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

I guess I'm gonna have to start bringing the handbook to work so I can dispel some of these myths you like to propagate. I'm pretty sure the phrase is "over an extended period of time" not "more than once" but I'll have to get back to you.

Either way, as Indy said, it's amusing to watch you make up stuff on the fly. Maybe you could get a job writing for Sooner.

It either uses that language or language about predatory conduct.

I can see youth, well, if I have it for four weeks that's not extended but eight weeks is.

Should bishops distribute charts?

Can you have sex just six times over four weeks? Does it count as one episode no matter how many times the couple orgasm? All sorts of wonderful analysis is possible.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Tex

I guess I'm gonna have to start bringing the handbook to work so I can dispel some of these myths you like to propagate. I'm pretty sure the phrase is "over an extended period of time" not "more than once" but I'll have to get back to you.

Either way, as Indy said, it's amusing to watch you make up stuff on the fly. Maybe you could get a job writing for Sooner.

Really guys. Knowing human frailty. And knowing the weakness men have for sexual sin. And knowing that these guys write about their rebellious periods and their grevious sins, is it really a stretch to assume sex was one of their sins? It clearly was with Corianton, yet you want to make it so significantly different and less serious than my mission buddy who had sex with his girlfriend a couple times when he was 17?