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Elder Bednar's talk is going to screw us up for a while I think.
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I knew you would, which just makes your behavior here all the more ironic.
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Basically you pick an isolated study that agrees with your point of view and appeal to that authority. Nice analysis Sherlock. I suggest you take some formal logic courses. I did and did quite well. You apparently skipped those.
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Actuaries don't stochastically simulate God. Furthermore, you can't ever prove the null hypothesis, you can only fail to reject it.
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Boy, do you guys have a life?
I write a post or two, leave work, go home, go out to dinner with the fam. on a Friday night and there are 9823984858 more posts. (c: Quote:
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But at least Peterson's god a semi-merciful god. If such a pre-existent sinner behaves, he can leave the ghetto and be the butler in a nice neighborhood. What a nice guy.
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FWIW, I was referring to your "If you want to play oddsmaker..." comment.
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We're supposed to believe, you who has an agenda? You have no credibility in terms of honesty. I don't believe sufficient data exists on "belief", but it would not surprise me that those with more education have less belief in organized religion than those with less. So we are supposed to believe you for summarizing, correlating and compiling all data on what scientists believe? Hmm. Thanks, no, I'll do my own research. And I'm not certain it's relevant any way.
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This is getting silly. Woot's original response to Chino was essentially correct. Woot did emphasize the most extreme survey of disbelief among scientist. Yes, NAS is an elite reseach society so I don't have a problem with him emphasizing that. Other surveys of research scientist at elite universities do not produce such extreme results. Typically surveys find that about 60% either "do not believe in God" or "or don't know if there is a God and there is no way to find out." So the NAS are an extreme sample. Some of this could be related to the survey question given to the NAS sample which I think defined a very active God: "a God in intellectual and affective communication with humankind." Clearly one could believe in God in a general sense and disagree with the preceding statement.
Second, there is a rather large difference between the beliefs of scientists in God and the general population. The percentage for the US general population hovers around 10% (disbelief). Third, these surveys are a long way from empirically providing evidence of the secularizing effect of education on measures of both religious activity and belief. You need a much more careful empirical design to answer that question. Finally, woot you do have a tendency to display "intellectual contempt" towards other board members. This may be entirely unintended but at these point in your cougarguard life people are starting to respond to this perception instead of your arguments. My suggestion is to start give your opponent's argument the most charitable possible reading instead of trying to attack their weakest link. You are essentially a non-believer on a "faithful" (despite its liberal leanings) board. As such you need to negotiate the board with a thick skin and a great deal charity towards the faithful or you will find yourself marginalized. Last edited by pelagius; 02-23-2008 at 07:23 PM. |
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