Obama looking to storm through to the White House!!!!!

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

That's brainless propaganda. We aren't fighting a war, so surrender isn't an option. We are occupying a foreign country, and the sensible among us think that's a bad idea.

I think the people who are really sensible recognize that since we're in a foreign country that we might want to do what it takes so the country soon after in worse shape than when we arrived there.

To that end, things are very strongly trending in the right direction. To pull out now would not be sensible.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

I don't know how it is in Utah, but keep in mind that the left is tolerant of all religion, which means that it probably won't support Mormon attempts to wield influence that it deems unconstitutional. I understand how the left could be seen as intolerant in the midst of such a dominantly religious society, but elsewhere in the world, the liberals are installing footwashing stations in bathrooms so the muslims will stop killing themselves trying to use a sink, etc.

The left is tolerant of all religion? Where in the world did you get that idea?

[woot]

Originally Posted by Tex

Funniest line of the evening. I think I'll retire to bed tonight with a smile just thinking about this kind of denial.

Thanks, woot.

So you actually consider the situation in Iraq to be a war? A civil war perhaps, but not one in which we are involved. Who are we fighting, exactly? "Terrorists"? Surely you don't actually believe that.

[woot]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The left is tolerant of all religion? Where in the world did you get that idea?

How is this news? Can someone provide some examples of the left being intolerant?

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

I don't know how it is in Utah, but keep in mind that the left is tolerant of all religion, which means that it probably won't support Mormon attempts to wield influence that it deems unconstitutional. I understand how the left could be seen as intolerant in the midst of such a dominantly religious society, but elsewhere in the world, the liberals are installing footwashing stations in bathrooms so the muslims will stop killing themselves trying to use a sink, etc.

Why do the Muslims need to have a foot washing station in a public bathroom? What happened to the separation of church and state? Perhaps you man that the left is tolerant of non-Christian religion? I can agree whole heartedly with that.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

How is this news? Can someone provide some examples of the left being intolerant?

Let's start with TV shows and movies produced by strongly liberal groups that consistently represent people of faith as ignorant and/or dangerous caricatures.

[woot]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Let's start with TV shows and movies produced by strongly liberal groups that consistently represent people of faith as ignorant and/or dangerous caricatures.

A. I meant policy, not your subjective characterization of those you deem liberal.

B. Movies and to a lesser extent TV shows portray belief in the supernatural to be a good thing, and non-believers to be deficient in some way. Fundies are sometimes made light of, and nonbelievers are finally starting to get some decent treatment in a very few TV shows, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

B. Movies and to a lesser extent TV shows portray belief in the supernatural to be a good thing, and non-believers to be deficient in some way. Fundies are sometimes made light of, and nonbelievers are finally starting to get some decent treatment in a very few TV shows, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.

What the hell are you talking about? The only movie I've ever seen in which a non-believer got the shaft was The Ten Commandments.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

What the hell are you talking about? The only movie I've ever seen in which a non-believer got the shaft was The Ten Commandments.

He must have seen Evan Almighty recently.

[woot]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

What the hell are you talking about? The only movie I've ever seen in which a non-believer got the shaft was The Ten Commandments.

Well, 1408 was a recent movie in which the non-believer was proven wrong. Contact, a movie based on a book written by an atheist, for crying out loud, ended in the atheist main character having a religious experience. There were at least two other movies in the last couple years about non-believers finding religion after some life-changing experience that I didn't see. I am Legend ends by proving the hero scientist's unbelief wrong.

I really thought all this was obvious.