Do you all ever feel shortchanged by your culture's insistence on early marriage

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

Come now, let's be reasonable. The culture of marriage is strong in the church, and it's true we define people by it (incorrectly, in my view). But the doctrine of happiness has never been predicated on marriage and people who hold such a tradition are either lying to themselves or terribly naive about the world around them. Certainly few church leaders fall into that category.



Bah. What nonsense. Any person who wishes to be sealed will have an opportunity to be sealed, if not in this life then in the next.

Tex, I use the term culture differently than I use the term church. I think the church rightly empahasizes marriage, family and happiness. I think in the past, not so much now, they emphasized it so much that they came close to calling marriage happiness, single not.

However, I now think the marriage happy, single unhappy is a cultural thing, not church thing. However, many people can't tell there is a difference and preach the culture in Sunday School, Sacrament and Priesthood.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BYU71

However, I now think the marriage happy, single unhappy is a cultural thing, not church thing. However, many people can't tell there is a difference and preach the culture in Sunday School, Sacrament and Priesthood.

Sounds like what fusnik is doing.

[All-American]

Hmm. The guy who wrote that article is in my ward. Interesting.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

On your mission did you tell people, 'it's ok if you reject our message and our baptism because fortunately in the life to come you will have another opportunity.'

If I knew what this had to do with this conversation ...

Originally Posted by BYU71

Tex, I use the term culture differently than I use the term church. I think the church rightly empahasizes marriage, family and happiness. I think in the past, not so much now, they emphasized it so much that they came close to calling marriage happiness, single not.

However, I now think the marriage happy, single unhappy is a cultural thing, not church thing. However, many people can't tell there is a difference and preach the culture in Sunday School, Sacrament and Priesthood.

I understood what you meant by culture vs. church. I can't say that there is no quarter in the church where people espouse this view. However, I don't know about your ward(s), but I've been in plenty where there has been divorce and difficult marriages. Sometimes it's adultery, sometimes it's two entirely faithful members who simply don't get along.

Hard to exist under those circumstances and hold to that view, that's all I'm saying.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by All-American

Hmm. The guy who wrote that article is in my ward. Interesting.

A guy named Christine or Wendy?

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Sounds like what fusnik is doing.

D&C 49: 15

And again, verily I say unto you, that whoso forbiddeth to marry is not ordained of God, for marriage is ordained of God unto man.

D&C 132 15-17

Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

D&C 131: 2-3

And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];

And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.

Spencer W. Kimball:

If we spend our mortal days in accumulating secular knowledge to the exclusion of the spiritual then we are in a dead-end street, for this is the time for man to prepare to meet God; this is the time for faith to be built, for baptism to be effected, for the Holy Ghost to be received, for the ordinances to be performed.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

D&C 49: 15

D&C 132 15-17

D&C 131: 2-3

Spencer W. Kimball:

Alma 33:2

Ye do greatly err, and ye ought to search the scriptures; if ye suppose that they have taught you this, ye do not understand them.

[Black Diamond Bay]

Well, I'm certainly glad that fusnik isn't going to be the one judging people in the hereafter.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by Tex

A guy named Christine or Wendy?

Oh, did I read the wrong article? I thought we were looking at the one by Russell Stevenson.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

If I knew what this had to do with this conversation ...



I understood what you meant by culture vs. church. I can't say that there is no quarter in the church where people espouse this view. However, I don't know about your ward(s), but I've been in plenty where there has been divorce and difficult marriages. Sometimes it's adultery, sometimes it's two entirely faithful members who simply don't get along.

Hard to exist under those circumstances and hold to that view, that's all I'm saying.

I admit. I just attend Sacrament meeting now days. So I get my vibes from Sacrament Meeting. Basically what you get in Sacrament meeting is, be worthy to attend the Temple, attend the Temple, you and your family will live happily ever after.

So when I say the culture teaches marriage equals happiness, I allow for the fact their can be unhappiness in marriage, but that is caused by those who are not truly living the gospel. Those who live the gospel and are married are happy.

You and I know better, but it can't be openly said in front of the children or recognized.