05-03-2007, 08:37 PM | #121 | |
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From the start, my objection has been over the presentation of alternative possibilities that are nothing more than conjecture (sensical though they may be) rather than fact as legimate explanations to people who know no better. Moreover, I reject this desire to place "blame" for the policy on someone, anyone ... even the prophets, if we can't find anyone else to scapegoat. |
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From what you have said I think you are in the camp of the prophets did lead the church astray (for doctrinal or policy reasons in irrelevant, astray is astray). But when someone finally got around to asking the Lord to clarify he did so.
The church was still led to believe in the dark/evil nature of the black race for over a century. Can a prophet lead the church astray? |
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I disagree that the church was led to believe in a dark/evil nature of the black race. I think America was racist during most of those years, and many Mormons held some of those beliefs. This included some of our leaders. I don't think it was because of the ban that these beliefs were held. |
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You can read Improvement Era articles about the Indian placement program and white families said that the skin of their Indian children was much whiter than that of their family members back on the res. This is no longer taught or thought about in the same way. The church was lead astray by the early racist teachings of Brigham Young and company. |
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I'm well aware of the examples that you cite. I'm glad we've moved beyond them. I think they are good examples of opinions that were never doctrinal. |
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When it leads to exclusion of the blessings needed for the Celestial kingdom then yes I think he does. When it leads to God's people looking at a whole race of people as inferior, then yes I think he does. When the incorrect doctrine also leads to violence (Brigham advocated it) then yes I think he does.
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