A question for the Orthodox:

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So if He said that Elder Andersen was the correct person, that is a de facto end product of a racially discriminatory selection process?

No, that is not the "de facto" end product of a racially discriminatory selection process in and of itself. Alone, there is nothing at all to conclude from the selection of one individual. Instead, after hundreds have been called with zero being minorities, that is where we need to ask whether or not there is something racially discriminatory occurring in the selection process, whether intentional or otherwise.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Based on what?

It is how God operates in general. Did you miss that in your close reading of D&C?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It is how God operates in general. Did you miss that in your close reading of D&C?

So you think the process of calling a primary teacher is the same as the process for calling an Apostle? Putting a primary worker in doesn't put them in the pipeline for prophethood.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So you think the process of calling a primary teacher is the same as the process for calling an Apostle? Putting a primary worker in doesn't put them in the pipeline for prophethood.

It should be the same process.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So you think the process of calling a primary teacher is the same as the process for calling an Apostle? Putting a primary worker in doesn't put them in the pipeline for prophethood.

What evidence is there to the contrary? There are literally hundreds of general confernce talks about how God communicates with man and how we should receive answers to prayers. They always involve a simple formula: Think through the problem, resolve it in your own mind, ask the Lord for confirmation. President Hinckley indicated his communications with God (in his 60 mins interview) were similar in nature.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No, that is not the "de facto" end product of a racially discriminatory selection process in and of itself. Alone, there is nothing at all to conclude from the selection of one individual. Instead, after hundreds have been called with zero being minorities, that is where we need to ask whether or not there is something racially discriminatory occurring in the selection process, whether intentional or otherwise.

Elder Andersen is only the 97th apostle, so "hundreds" is a bit of an exaggeration.

But I agree. Let's ask the question. You ask God and I'll do the same, and let's come back here and report.

Oh, that's right. It's Monson's fault.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

What evidence is there to the contrary? There are literally hundreds of general confernce talks about how God communicates with man and how we should receive answers to prayers. They always involve a simple formula: Think through the problem, resolve it in your own mind, ask the Lord for confirmation. President Hinckley indicated his communications with God (in his 60 mins interview) were similar in nature.

Yes, his 60 Minutes interview was full of the meaty things of the gospel.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It should be the same process.

Why? Just because God is no respecter of persons, and just because He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? Don't be silly.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Why? Just because God is no respecter of persons, and just because He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? Don't be silly.

The process for determining God's will is the same no matter the calling.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Elder Andersen is only the 97th apostle, so "hundreds" is a bit of an exaggeration.

But I agree. Let's ask the question. You ask God and I'll do the same, and let's come back here and report.

Oh, that's right. It's Monson's fault.

I count 13 ordinations to the Q12 since 1984

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronol..._Church)#1980s