11-06-2008, 07:25 PM | #131 | |
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Signed, Pontius Pilate *assenting opinions written by Tex and Rick-o-Matic
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11-06-2008, 07:34 PM | #132 | |
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How long will it be before SCOTUS tells majorities all around the country that gays are a suspect class and strict scrutiny requires prop 8 and similar measures to be struck down? In our lifetimes, I have not the least doubt.
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11-06-2008, 09:08 PM | #133 | ||
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"PUBLIC AFFAIRS: You’re saying the Church doesn’t necessarily have a position on ‘nurture or nature’ "ELDER OAKS: That’s where our doctrine comes into play. The Church does not have a position on the causes of any of these susceptibilities or inclinations, including those related to same-gender attraction. Those are scientific questions — whether nature or nurture — those are things the Church doesn’t have a position on. "ELDER WICKMAN: Whether it is nature or nurture really begs the important question, and a preoccupation with nature or nurture can, it seems to me, lead someone astray from the principles that Elder Oaks has been describing here. Why somebody has a same-gender attraction… who can say? But what matters is the fact that we know we can control how we behave, and it is behavior which is important." According to the above comments, then it appears to me that the church has no position. Whether that is a change from a prior stance, I do not know. And it really should not matter, if you are of the belief that as individual Church members we should make our own choices and not blindly follow dictates from SLC. Given the Church's current position, then I believe it would be difficult for anyone to label me a sheep...My position is that being gay is a lifestyle choice. A choice that is influenced by many factors that may include standards, environment, etc...My position has come about as a result of the experiences I have had in my life. What a wonderful thing to excercise free agency and have the ability to think for myself and make decisions. You may disagree with my position, but, you would be hard pressed to label me an ingnoramus based on the limited posts I have made in this forum. I am not an uneducated moron with limited life experiences. I am not a bigot or intolerant, I just happen to agree with supporters of prop 8. Tuesday's victory was not hollow, it was a victory for those of us that believe that marriage is ordained of God and is to be only between a man and a woman. |
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11-06-2008, 09:14 PM | #134 | |
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No comment from me and this is not a cop out. Ask another question and I will gladly engage you in the discussion. |
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11-06-2008, 09:18 PM | #135 | |
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Awkward or not, it goes right to the core of your "being gay is a choice" mindset.
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11-06-2008, 09:40 PM | #136 |
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Maybe the use of the word "funny" was inappropriate...but, I pictured you with a smile on your face playing "gotcha"...I am bit slower than most of you on this board so please elaborate on your "Awkward or not, it goes right to the core of your "being gay is a choice" mindset" comment. What is the correlation you are attempting to make between choosing to be gay and an lds gay kid choosing to be gay and choosing to commit suicide? Regardless of how you feel about this issue, anyone gay or not committing suicide would be a trajedy and I do not wish that on anyone.
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11-06-2008, 09:47 PM | #137 | |
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If gay were a choice (someone decides to live a gay lifestyle)....then why would they then commit suicide? Why not simply choose to be straight and live happily ever after?
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11-06-2008, 09:50 PM | #139 |
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exactly. the church is saying "easy said, easy done" when in reality the only thing easy is saying it... doing it is damn near impossible in so many situations.
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11-06-2008, 10:08 PM | #140 | |
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All I know is that people that at one time have lived a gay lifestyles have chosen to be straight and are currenltly living very happily with their spouses and children. |
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