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Old 05-19-2008, 04:10 PM   #151
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I didn't "arrive at the conclusion." I stated it at the very outset. (Again, you are not reading.)

Just because it doesn't matter to me personally as a voter doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it, or debate about it.
Debate about an issue that neither you, nor me, nor the voters (per your own admission) care about? Sounds like a fruitful debate you have conjured up there. Maybe I should pick the next topic of debate.
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Old 05-19-2008, 04:53 PM   #152
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Debate about an issue that neither you, nor me, nor the voters (per your own admission) care about? Sounds like a fruitful debate you have conjured up there. Maybe I should pick the next topic of debate.
I made no such admission. They cared when this conversation started. If you find the debate that "I" have conjured up (what, were you forced to participate?) unfruitful, stop clicking Reply.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:14 PM   #153
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I made no such admission. They cared when this conversation started. If you find the debate that "I" have conjured up (what, were you forced to participate?) unfruitful, stop clicking Reply.
They cared so much when this conversation started, that they stopped caring by the time it got to this point. They must have REALLY cared for that kind of longevity. As of now, you don't care, you don't think most people care, and I don't care. We are in agreement.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:17 PM   #154
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They cared so much when this conversation started, that they stopped caring by the time it got to this point. They must have REALLY cared for that kind of longevity. As of now, you don't care, you don't think most people care, and I don't care. We are in agreement.
Most electoral issues don't have eternal longevity. At some point, every story dies. That doesn't mean it wasn't significant in that moment, or that it didn't shape people's opinions.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:37 PM   #155
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Most electoral issues don't have eternal longevity. At some point, every story dies. That doesn't mean it wasn't significant in that moment, or that it didn't shape people's opinions.
If it shaped their opinions, it shaped them for the better (according to the polls). You are running on empty here.
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:22 PM   #156
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Obama says you give loyalty to a church, not a pastor. So what's been going on at Trinity Church lately?
Last week's sermon at Trinity Church, fast forward to about 2:30:



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When Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought, 'this is mine. I'm Bill's wife. I'm white, and this is mine. I just gotta get up and step into the plate.'

Then out of nowhere, 'I'm Barack Obama!'

'Ah, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!'

(mocks crying)

She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying!
Oh, and Pfleger is close Obama friend, and you guessed it, until recently a member of a voluntary advisor committee. He stepped down after the speech went up on youtube.

But remember, you give loyalty to a church, not a pastor.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...pulpit_po.html
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:46 PM   #157
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Last week's sermon at Trinity Church, fast forward to about 2:30:



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Oh, and Pfleger is close Obama friend, and you guessed it, until recently a member of a voluntary advisor committee. He stepped down after the speech went up on youtube.

But remember, you give loyalty to a church, not a pastor.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...pulpit_po.html
no, don't fast forward. watch the entire sermon. It's hillarious how he stuck it to Hillary.

If only sacrament meeting were this entertaining.
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no, don't fast forward. watch the entire sermon. It's hillarious how he stuck it to Hillary.

If only sacrament meeting were this entertaining.
Right. White supremacy rants are always a clear winner in sacrament these days.
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Right. White supremacy rants are always a clear winner in sacrament these days.
are you speaking in my ward next Sunday?
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no, don't fast forward. watch the entire sermon. It's hillarious how he stuck it to Hillary.

If only sacrament meeting were this entertaining.
Do you really think that pastor's racism is hilarious?
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