03-24-2007, 04:31 AM | #11 |
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Phil Jackson is also an anti-Mormon. I don't like bigots.
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03-24-2007, 06:51 AM | #12 | |
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As far as Kobe's TO's. He handles the ball an awful lot and plays a ton of minutes. He plays in the triangle which is based on reads so if one player makes a bad read there's the potential for increased turnovers. And of those that have more TO's per game, 6 are all-stars too and Kobe has a better A/TO ratio than all of them except Nash, Wade and Iverson. However, Wade and Iverson's ratios are relatively close to Kobe's and can be a wash. And yes, the Lakers rank 16th in A/TO ratio. But one tenth is all that keeps them from moving up 8 spots so this statistic isn't as condemning as you suggest. Also, the Lakers don't really have a PG to take care of the ball like many of these other teams do. That responsibility falls heavily on Kobe and Odom who is 13th in TO's per game which skews the Lakers ratio even more.
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03-24-2007, 07:15 AM | #13 |
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Surfah - Kobe is a helluva basketball player. I'll believe that until the day I die.
My comment about what he feels he's entitled to is based on the fact that I was around guys like him when I played ball in school. Unfortunately, athletes have been coddled and given everything they want for most of their lives. Then when they can't have something, they either take it or bitch and moan about how they're getting the shaft. Kobe really is no different from any of these guys. Yes, it turned out that he didn't rape this girl in Colorado, but unless I misunderstood what happened, she wasn't as consenting as Kobe and his attorneys would have us believe. All they had to do was cast a shadow of doubt that it was rape. I apologize if my hatred for Kobe offends you, but you need not take it seriously, as I am able to separate Kobe from his fans. Besides, as Jazz fan since they moved to SLC in '79, I have to hate the Lakers and their players. I'll never forgive Karl Malone and refuse to look at his ugly statue in the plaza at the arena formerly known as the Delta Center and now named after a toxic dump site.
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03-24-2007, 03:40 PM | #14 | |
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03-24-2007, 04:25 PM | #15 | ||
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And I understand where you're coming from about gifted athletes and their sense of entitlement. I played with several as well. But I disagree that Kobe is one of them. His work ethic and driven nature I think are contrary to that attitude you suggest. He wants to be the best. And he practices and trains to be the best. I think the level at which Kobe is playing right now is something special that basketball fans should enjoy. Here's a nice article that John Celestand wrote about Kobe last year that I think illustrates my point. Yes he thinks he can do everything. Maybe to a fault at times. But he'll keep trying again and again: Quote:
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03-24-2007, 06:46 PM | #16 |
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Surfah most people just don't like receiving joy from cheering on a narcissitic rapist no matter how talented they are.
Since you do, a debate is obviously fruitless.
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Your comments always intrigue me. You can use whatever standard of judgement you want to determine who you champion. But I don't understand the moral grounds with which you determine the worth of an athlete's accomplishments in sport. I am not saying one should cheer for Kobe. But like Il Pad recognize his talent as extraordinary and special. Mind you there are many athletes who I don't like but I am in awe of their achievments and athletic prowess. By your same standard of judgement Michael Jordan is a narcissistic adulterer. Ray Lewis is a narcissistic murderer. Barry Bonds is a narcissistic drug user. Or does your moral judgement extend only to Kobe because you just don't like him? I am not trolling here but genuinely interested in your standard of jugement here and how it diminishes what an athlete has accomplished.
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03-24-2007, 08:05 PM | #18 |
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Kobe needs to go away. Nothing redeeming about him.
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03-25-2007, 10:39 PM | #20 |
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