I agree with Gman

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by TheSizzle36

So we should have thrown the ball more? Especially with double coverage on Pitta and Collie for a good portion of the night?

With Unga and our offensive line, I strongly feel that we should run the ball more. Yes, we have talented players at other skill positions (Reed, Pitta, Collie) but if we can establish a running game early and force teams to bring 8 in the box, that should create one-on-one opportunities and mismatches for those other guys.

Indy and Gary Crowton have one thing in common. They don't understand or like the running game.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BlueK

Indy and Gary Crowton have one thing in common. They don't understand or like the running game.

Unga 1st half - 9 carries for 24 yards (2.7 ypc)
Unga 2nd half - 5 carries for 29 yards (5.8 ypc)

So how many times more should Unga have carried the ball in the 1st half? 5? 10? If it was 10, that means 19 carries in one half, which seems a bit much, especially given that he averaged 2.7 ypc with his first 9 attempts.

Unga had 4 carries for 23 on BYU's lone scoring drive in the 3rd quarter, but with BYU down 26-0 at the time, it's fair to say that TCU wasn't really all that worried about the running game at that point, especially since Unga doesn't possess the ability to bust a long run (his longest carry this year is 17 yards).

Yeah, running the ball more would have done the trick. Even if it had been modestly effective, all that would have done is kept TCU from shutting down their offense that much earlier since they could take whatever they wanted passing the ball, let alone running it.


P.S. Crowton has now finished in the top 15 nationally in rushing at 3 different schools: BYU, Oregon and LSU.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Unga 1st half - 9 carries for 24 yards (2.7 ypc)
Unga 2nd half - 5 carries for 29 yards (5.8 ypc)

So how many times more should Unga have carried the ball in the 1st half? 5? 10? If it was 10, that means 19 carries in one half, which seems a bit much, especially given that he averaged 2.7 ypc with his first 9 attempts.

Unga had 4 carries for 23 on BYU's lone scoring drive in the 3rd quarter, but with BYU down 26-0 at the time, it's fair to say that TCU wasn't really all that worried about the running game at that point, especially since Unga doesn't possess the ability to bust a long run (his longest carry this year is 17 yards).

Yeah, running the ball more would have done the trick. Even if it had been modestly effective, all that would have done is kept TCU from shutting down their offense that much earlier since they could take whatever they wanted passing the ball, let alone running it.


P.S. Crowton has now finished in the top 15 nationally in rushing at 3 different schools: BYU, Oregon and LSU.

I actually think we give Harvey 15-20 carries in the first half if we are moving the chains and it is working. Especially against a team where we can not stop their offense. 2.9 ypc says it was not working as effectively as it could have been so I am not that disappointed we abandoned it.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Unga 1st half - 9 carries for 24 yards (2.7 ypc)
Unga 2nd half - 5 carries for 29 yards (5.8 ypc)

So how many times more should Unga have carried the ball in the 1st half? 5? 10? If it was 10, that means 19 carries in one half, which seems a bit much, especially given that he averaged 2.7 ypc with his first 9 attempts.

Unga had 4 carries for 23 on BYU's lone scoring drive in the 3rd quarter, but with BYU down 26-0 at the time, it's fair to say that TCU wasn't really all that worried about the running game at that point, especially since Unga doesn't possess the ability to bust a long run (his longest carry this year is 17 yards).

Yeah, running the ball more would have done the trick. Even if it had been modestly effective, all that would have done is kept TCU from shutting down their offense that much earlier since they could take whatever they wanted passing the ball, let alone running it.


P.S. Crowton has now finished in the top 15 nationally in rushing at 3 different schools: BYU, Oregon and LSU.

Let’s see, first series, first three plays were runs that resulted in a first down. It wasn’t pretty but it was effective. What happened next?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by tooblue

Let’s see, first series, first three plays were runs that resulted in a first down. It wasn’t pretty but it was effective. What happened next?

The next series, they ran on 1st down, fumble and lost 10 yards. Then after recovering the punt from that 3 and out, Harvey ran for 2 yards on second down and 0 yards on 4th and 1? Maybe if they had passed more...

[exUte]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Have you considered that if BYU ran the ball it would have opened things up for the receivers, and one reason TCU's offense appeared so formidable is they weren't worrying about the run?

I don't understand this reasoning, "TCU beat us at their place 32-7 so TCU must be a lot better than us." BYU could have reversed the score on their own field with a smarter game plan. You see reversals like this all the time with NFL teams who play home and home, have the luxery of a second bite at the apple and opportunity to adjust.

needed to spread the ball around more on an interview today. Something he noticed the last few games. Well...............why wait until you lose to do what you lamented you should have been doing for the past few games?

Aren't you the head coach?

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Unga 1st half - 9 carries for 24 yards (2.7 ypc)
Unga 2nd half - 5 carries for 29 yards (5.8 ypc)

So how many times more should Unga have carried the ball in the 1st half? 5? 10? If it was 10, that means 19 carries in one half, which seems a bit much, especially given that he averaged 2.7 ypc with his first 9 attempts.

Unga had 4 carries for 23 on BYU's lone scoring drive in the 3rd quarter, but with BYU down 26-0 at the time, it's fair to say that TCU wasn't really all that worried about the running game at that point, especially since Unga doesn't possess the ability to bust a long run (his longest carry this year is 17 yards).

Yeah, running the ball more would have done the trick. Even if it had been modestly effective, all that would have done is kept TCU from shutting down their offense that much earlier since they could take whatever they wanted passing the ball, let alone running it.


P.S. Crowton has now finished in the top 15 nationally in rushing at 3 different schools: BYU, Oregon and LSU.

do when they know you won't run the ball? Just take a wild arsch guess? Well, TCU did that very well.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

The next series, they ran on 1st down, fumble and lost 10 yards. Then after recovering the punt from that 3 and out, Harvey ran for 2 yards on second down and 0 yards on 4th and 1? Maybe if they had passed more...

I asked about the first series -- you dodged and want to speak about the second series. Interesting.

Running the football effectively and sticking with it is important because:

a. helps win the statistical battle which is oh so important to stats guys?

or

b. because it dictates the tempo; allows the strength of the team to assert it's physicality in accordance with one of it's strength; opens up the passing game; helps control the time of possession battle against a team with better athletes overall; wears the opposing team down; in regards to the TCU game is unexpected and might've forced the opposing D to adjust and change it's game plan ... ?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by tooblue

I asked about the first series -- you dodged and want to speak about the second series. Interesting.

Running the football effectively and sticking with it is important because:

a. helps win the statistical battle which is oh so important to stats guys?

or

b. because it dictates the tempo; allows the strength of the team to assert it's physicality in accordance with one of it's strength; opens up the passing game; helps control the time of possession battle against a team with better athletes overall; wears the opposing team down; in regards to the TCU game is unexpected and might've forced the opposing D to adjust and change it's game plan ... ?

Did I dodge your question, or simply follow up with the same logic you attempted to get away with in your post?

BYU's strength is passing the ball, not running it. We were 62nd in the nation in yards per carry BEFORE the TCU game (we're only 83rd in the nation in yards per carry now -- at 3.71 ypc), and that is going against a very sorry assortment of defenses and it essentially had zero sack yards factored in there which can sometimes understate yards per carry.

TCU was and is #1 in the nation in run defense.

How delusional do you have to be to think in the face of a 25 point defeat that running the ball a few more times would have made a material difference; particularly against a run defense the stature of TCU's?

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.js...shdef&site=org

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2008/Intern...98teamdef.html

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

TCU was and is #1 in the nation in run defense.

What are the rushing offenses TCU has played?