Temple Recommend required to work at BYU

[Surfah]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Bateman was a master of cloaking administrative decisions with the priesthood.

Another reason why I could never work at BYU.

Amen. How Evenson managed to stay civil with his reply after Bateman's letter and the George Q. Cannon apostasy quotes is impressive. I doubt I would have had such tact or diplomacy.

I wonder how Evenson feels about the Honor Code. Essentially this seems like an Honor Code for the faculty.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Wow. Attaching the George Q. Cannon quotes to that memo was a real cheap shot. Another example of why the faculty were elated when Bateman was replaced.

[Surfah]

In defense of the University and it's policies I will say that it is a unique environment and that employment there is akin to studying there. You know what you're getting into, so if you don't want to deal with that, there are other schools available. Now while I would probably be sitting in Evenson's boat on this issue, realistically would you expect anything less from BYU?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by surfah33

In defense of the University and it's policies I will say that it is a unique environment and that employment there is akin to studying there. You know what you're getting into, so if you don't want to deal with that, there are other schools available. Now while I would probably be sitting in Evenson's boat on this issue, realistically would you expect anything less from BYU?

If the University reworked the honor code in a mullah-like fashion, would you say "well that's the way it's supposed to be at BYU"?

You might be saying, instead, "why don't we just leave it as it was before."

And that's what Evenson was saying. "Let's keep the old BYU, and not go to this new BYU."

[Surfah]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If the University reworked the honor code in a mullah-like fashion, would you say "well that's the way it's supposed to be at BYU"?

You might be saying, instead, "why don't we just leave it as it was before."

And that's what Evenson was saying. "Let's keep the old BYU, and not go to this new BYU."

I already believe the Honor Code to be in full-mullah fashion.

My poor defense isn't something I agree with. But as was noted a significant number of faculty do their undergrad work there. Most are LDS and are keenly aware of the atmosphere and mullah culture there already, so why would any of this be surprising to anyone? I am not saying that's how it's supposed to be and that this policy is agreeable, but to paint with a wide brush, it is what it is. That's BYU. That doesn't make it right, but that's an underlying assumption one must consider before applying to study at or work for BYU.

I learned from my own experience that fighting the HC is like kicking against the pricks. And there are a ton of pricks in the HC department.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by surfah33

In defense of the University and it's policies I will say that it is a unique environment and that employment there is akin to studying there. You know what you're getting into, so if you don't want to deal with that, there are other schools available. Now while I would probably be sitting in Evenson's boat on this issue, realistically would you expect anything less from BYU?

Ummm...OK?

This reads alot like a defense of the policy because "that's how BYU is."

[MikeWaters]

It's ironic that in church meetings we ask if there is anyone opposed.

Yet at BYU this notion is totally foreign. And being opposed is tantamount to apostacy.

I really can't imagine Joseph Smith setting up BYU as it is now. Brigham Young, yes, I can imagine it. And I suppose that is why it is called BYU. And not JSU. JSU might be a more intellectually open place.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

Check out these documents:

http://www.lds-mormon.com/aaupbill.shtml

One of the more interesting points in these documents is how differences were handled during Holland's presidency. Having graduated from BYU and then attending Yale, it seems like Elder Holland knew how to balance academic freedom with the spiritual mission of BYU.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

One other quick point. You don't go to BYU because of the faculty. You go because of the students.

BYU gets good students, better than its faculty.

Not for graduate school, at least in my department. My wagon, for better or for worse, is firmly hitched to my adviser.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

.... She may be the only member at the school, and the only college student in her ward (if she attends).

What is the genesis for the belief that you will go inactive if you don't go to a church school? Are the youth of today so feeble that they are unable withstand anything other than being hand fed bits of toast dipped in milk?