If BYU was undefeated this year would they play in the MNC game?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I agree with this. The BCS teams are the bigger names. The problem is that the BCS is driven by tv money and not to find a true champion. If there were 10+ million residents along the Wasatch Front, Utah and BYU would be in a BCS conference.

Norman, OK
Lincoln, NE
South Bend, IN


all have metro populations similar to or smaller than SLC, yet house BCS schools and National Champions.

The issue isn't population. It is national appeal.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Norman, OK
Lincoln, NE
South Bend, IN


all have metro populations similar to or smaller than SLC, yet house BCS schools and National Champions.

The issue isn't population. It is national appeal.

South Bend is 1 hour drive from Chicago. 3 hours from Detroit and 2 hours from Indianapolis. That's over 10 million people.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Norman, OK
Lincoln, NE
South Bend, IN


all have metro populations similar to or smaller than SLC, yet house BCS schools and National Champions.

The issue isn't population. It is national appeal.

There are exceptions, of course.

Why were the Big East and the ACC in the BCS to begin with? It certainly wasn't because of national appeal.

[MikeWaters]

FMCoug, I looked at some examples of schools...

Does anyone here believe that if Troy went undefeated they would play for the MNC?

The Colley poll has them ranked 2nd in the nation if they had won the last 3 games they lost.

We all know that there is no way in hell Troy from the Sun Belt plays for the MNC.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

FMCoug, I looked at some examples of schools...

Does anyone here believe that if Troy went undefeated they would play for the MNC?

The Colley poll has them ranked 2nd in the nation if they had won the last 3 games they lost.

We all know that there is no way in hell Troy from the Sun Belt plays for the MNC.

Mike I think they would, all three of Troys losses have been to SEC schools. You cant tell me that a team with wins at Arkansas, at Florida, and at Georgia, as well as a win over Oklahoma state would not get a shot at a national title, no matter what conference they play in.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

There are exceptions, of course.

Why were the Big East and the ACC in the BCS to begin with? It certainly wasn't because of national appeal.

Big East: Miami
ACC: FSU

Pretty simple. National appeal.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Big East: Miami
ACC: FSU

Pretty simple. National appeal.

You're a smart guy, but I have a difficult time believing that you wouldn't accept that the number of tv sets wasn't the determining factor in creating the BCS.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

You're a smart guy, but I have a difficult time believing that you wouldn't accept that the number of tv sets wasn't the determining factor in creating the BCS.

I agree that TV sets play a factor, but from a national perspective, not really a local one.

The flagship teams in all 6 BCS conferences (plus ND) are all nationally loved and followed schools (probably in large part because they have all won NCs at one point or another...USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Miami, FSU). Very few of those schools reside in large media markets. As a matter of fact, with the exception of SC, ALL of those schools reside in small media markets.

The non-BCS schools were not invited to the party because they have no real national presence. BYU has about the strongest claim against that, but nowhere near to the extent that BYU fans like to make it seem. Church members all over the country dont follow BYU because it is a Church school. And even if they did, how many million people are LDS in the country? There are probably more SC fans in the state of CA than there are LDS church members in the United States.

The biggest benefactors of the BCS are not really the traditional powerhouses. those schools were huge names before the BCS. It is all the pretender BCS coattailers that receive BCS money while not really being a high caliber football program....UNC, Duke, Vandy, Maryland, Miss St, Ole Miss, Arizona, Washington State, etc...

I think ultimately we are saying the same thing. My focus is just on national presence while you seem to be emphasizing local media market.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I agree that TV sets play a factor, but from a national perspective, not really a local one.

The flagship teams in all 6 BCS conferences (plus ND) are all nationally loved and followed schools (probably in large part because they have all won NCs at one point or another...USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, Miami, FSU). Very few of those schools reside in large media markets. As a matter of fact, with the exception of SC, ALL of those schools reside in small media markets.

The non-BCS schools were not invited to the party because they have no real national presence. BYU has about the strongest claim against that, but nowhere near to the extent that BYU fans like to make it seem. Church members all over the country dont follow BYU because it is a Church school. And even if they did, how many million people are LDS in the country? There are probably more SC fans in the state of CA than there are LDS church members in the United States.

The biggest benefactors of the BCS are not really the traditional powerhouses. those schools were huge names before the BCS. It is all the pretender BCS coattailers that receive BCS money while not really being a high caliber football program....UNC, Duke, Vandy, Maryland, Miss St, Ole Miss, Arizona, Washington State, etc...

I think ultimately we are saying the same thing. My focus is just on national presence while you seem to be emphasizing local media market.

Fair enough. I am looking at it from a local perspective - as in why the BCS is exclusionary and you are looking at why the BCS came to be.

My two main problems with the BCS is that it has declared that it's championship game is the legitimate championship game and that it does not give all teams a chance to play for it's championship.

It really bothers me that the Miles Brand is such a pussy about it all. He has the power to do something about it, but is to skeered of the SEC.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Fair enough. I am looking at it from a local perspective - as in why the BCS is exclusionary and you are looking at why the BCS came to be.

My two main problems with the BCS is that it has declared that it's championship game is the legitimate championship game and that it does not give all teams a chance to play for it's championship.

It really bothers me that the Miles Brand is such a pussy about it all. He has the power to do something about it, but is to skeered of the SEC.

I am not a fan of the BCS, but if you remove fan emotion, here are two truths:

1. There are more BCS schools than non BCS schools in D1.
2. In the history of college football championships, non BCS schools dont really win national championships anyway, so what does it really matter that they are not in the BCS now?

The irony would be that if BYU and the U went to the Pac 10, one of us would wind up playing the Vegas bowl nearly every year, anyway.