I am still shocked at the AIDS numbers I see

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Elder Russell M. Nelson - - - "Aids is a plauge abetted by the immoral"

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[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

quote? link?

Take from a 92 Conference Talk...


Contemporary Challenges
In our day, many challenges face us. Some are new, some are old—simply clothed in modern attire. The epistles of Paul include prophecies pertaining to our day. Do these descriptions sound familiar?

“In the last days perilous times shall come.

“For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, [and the list of insidious qualities goes on] …

“Without natural affection, …

“Lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

“Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: …

“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Tim. 3:1–5, 7.)

Paul’s warnings describe apostasy and other dangers of our day. Some of these perils are contrary to God’s purposes and are championed by persuasive people possessing more ability than morality, more knowledge than wisdom. Their rationalization breeds justification. The Bible affirms that the “way of a fool is right in his own eyes.” (Prov. 12:15.) Indeed, individuals with malignity of purpose often wear the mask of honesty. So we must constantly be on guard.

To build a house straight and strong, you do not choose crooked boards. So to build your eternal destiny, you cannot—you must not—limit lessons only to those warped to exclude revelation from God. The Book of Mormon offers this note of caution and hope:

“Seek not to counsel the Lord, but to take counsel from his hand. For behold, ye yourselves know that he counseleth in wisdom, and in justice, and in great mercy, over all his works.” (Jacob 4:10.)

Remember the terrible price paid for ignorance of divine instruction. Until the turn of this century, infection was spread as if no one had ever read or taken seriously the fifteenth chapter of Leviticus. Where is wisdom?

Today we are seriously concerned with the increasing incidence of human infection with HIV (Human Immunosuppressive Virus) and variant viruses and the associated outbreak of AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). An epidemic has been forecast—a plague fueled by a vocal few who exhibit greater concern for civil rights than for public health, a plague abetted by the immoral. Some live in lust as though God’s commandment to be chaste was written with an asterisk, exempting them from obeying. And regrettably, as in previous plagues, many innocent victims are doomed to suffer. Where is wisdom?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Interesting. Thanks.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Ironically enough there was a local story last night that HIV cases in Salt Lake County have more than doubled in the past 6 months and that the Utah Department of Health is encouraging others to be more careful of engaging in risky behavior.

Of course now this is where someone again uses their biased personal Urim and Thummim and translates the term risky behavior into an attack against homosexuals.

I don't see how this is either ironic or pertinent to what you are quoting in my post above.

As an aside, people do need to be careful about engaging in risky behavior. Some people are reckless in their actions, causing harm to themselves and others. I am not condoning those actions. Are you under the impression that I am?

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

I don't see how this is either ironic or pertinent to what you are quoting in my post above.

As an aside, people do need to be careful about engaging in risky behavior. Some people are reckless in their actions, causing harm to themselves and others. I am not condoning those actions. Are you under the impression that I am?

Of course you don't see how it's pertinent. Your arrogance precludes you from doing so not with this, but any debate.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Of course you don't see how it's pertinent. Your arrogance precludes you from doing so not with this, but any debate.

Yet another fine explanation.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

Yet another fine explanation.

Isn't it though? Funny thing is you're the only one who doesn't get it.

By the way...take another gander at Elder Nelson's comments on the issue.....it would do you a world of good. You've a lot to learn.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Isn't it though? Funny thing is you're the only one who doesn't get it.

By the way...take another gander at Elder Nelson's comments on the issue.....it would do you a world of good. You've a lot to learn.

I haven't ever disagreed with his comments, to the extent I understand them to mean that immorality is fueling much of the AIDS epidemic. There is no question that AIDS would be slowed by moral behavior or through protections when engaging in immoral behavior. Again, when have I said otherwise?

But to view AIDS as an issue of immorality v. morality is overly simplistic. The MAJORITY of AIDS victims live in a continent where our version of "morality" is not accepted, nor largely applied. This goes back to my post on Africa and AIDS.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Isn't it though? Funny thing is you're the only one who doesn't get it.

By the way...take another gander at Elder Nelson's comments on the issue.....it would do you a world of good. You've a lot to learn.

I'm the only one? I was unaware that you were speaking on behalf of all other people.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

I'm the only one? I was unaware that you were speaking on behalf of all other people.

I honestly feel bad for you. Sometimes.

It's hard to feel bad for someone so deliberately intellectually dishonest.