On child abuse

[BYUTexan]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Do you have kids?

I have nieces and a nephew and yes my brother was a rape victim and my older sister was the victim of domestic abuse. But still to take a life is the worst thing we can do on this earth.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by BYUTexan

I have nieces and a nephew and yes my brother was a rape victim and my older sister was the victim of domestic abuse. But still to take a life is the worst thing we can do on this earth.

I'm sure you love your nephews and nieces, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that when you are a father, you'll have different thoughts about this.

I don't think anyone would say that taking a life is not the worst thing that can be done, but until you have kids of your own, you will never be able to empathize with someone who would kill the cretin who murdered his/her child.

[malapert]

Originally Posted by marsupial

Driver had victimized many boys in our community. He'd go church hopping and prey on single moms.

He went to church to prey?

[malapert]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm sure you love your nephews and nieces, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that when you are a father, you'll have different thoughts about this.

I don't think anyone would say that taking a life is not the worst thing that can be done, but until you have kids of your own, you will never be able to empathize with someone who would kill the cretin who murdered his/her child.

il Padrino is speaking truth here. Perhaps it is a sensation which must be felt first-hand.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by malapert

He went to church to prey?

Yeah prey not pray. Both he and Ellie Nessler attended our ward for awhile, though I don't think it was at the same time. I think they met at another church.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by BYUTexan

To me this is still murder. 30-40 years minimum. To support her was terrible and sends the wrong message. Now had she beat the crap out of him with a baseball bat and not killed him is fine with me, but murder IMO is worse.

I just read that she served only 4 years. WTF. She took someones life and IMO should loose her own by spending it in jail. It cannot be justified IMO.

On the long list of sins, molesting a child is barely below murder IMO.

[BYUTexan]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'm sure you love your nephews and nieces, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that when you are a father, you'll have different thoughts about this.

I don't think anyone would say that taking a life is not the worst thing that can be done, but until you have kids of your own, you will never be able to empathize with someone who would kill the cretin who murdered his/her child.

Oh, if he murdered the child, that would be a different story for me (I could sympathize completely with a parent, yet the only moral thing to do would be to let the law take its course). Sexual abuse is heinous and disgusting--a severely degrading act. But if that was it, you couldn't justify murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. No matter how you spin it, you can't use the evil act of another to justify your own evil act. And to support those who do so in retaliation is wrong. For those people who supported that Ellie lady for committing a worse act that what that sick man did (and yes Murder is the greatest sin IMO), that was just Islamic. Also, for didn't Christ stay that the whole eye for an eye thing was wrong? We have the law for a reason. If I had a child that was the victim of sexual abuse, I would be seething with anger, yet if I went out and killed the perpetrator, I would be no better, if not worse.

What I think was so wrong about what Ellie did, was that not only did she take the law into her own hands, but she committed murder. She only got 5 years in jail when she probably should have spent the rest her natural life in prison, as it was premmeditated, and the community supported her? That is sickening. As for her childs abuser, he should have spent the rest of his life behind bars as well. God nor the law gave us that right individually for a reason.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by BYUTexan

Oh, if he murdered the child, that would be a different story for me (I could sympathize completely with a parent, yet the only moral thing to do would be to let the law take its course). Sexual abuse is heinous and disgusting--a severely degrading act. But if that was it, you couldn't justify murder. Two wrongs don't make a right. No matter how you spin it, you can't use the evil act of another to justify your own evil act. And to support those who do so in retaliation is wrong. For those people who supported that Ellie lady for committing a worse act that what that sick man did (and yes Murder is the greatest sin IMO), that was just Islamic. Also, for didn't Christ stay that the whole eye for an eye thing was wrong? We have the law for a reason. If I had a child that was the victim of sexual abuse, I would be seething with anger, yet if I went out and killed the perpetrator, I would be no better, if not worse.

What I think was so wrong about what Ellie did, was that not only did she take the law into her own hands, but she committed murder. I don't think God or the law gave us that right individually.

We are now in Bizzarro land. BYUTexan, the voice of reason and self-control.

[BYUTexan]

Originally Posted by marsupial

On the long list of sins, molesting a child is barely below murder IMO.

I think so too, it's below murder but way above fornication and adultery. People are scarred for life. But to sacrifice your eternal salvation for revenge is stupid.

[BYUTexan]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

We are now in Bizzarro land. BYUTexan, the voice of reason and self-control.

My whole point is that you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And that is what vigilanteism in this case is. Am I frustrated that my brothers attacker isn't still in prison? hell yes, but should I go and murder him, no!