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il Padrino Ute · 03-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

In elementary school, this is the one we would bust out:

Liar Liar
Face on fire
Now you look like Richard Pryor

I didnt realize then what it meant, nor did I appreciate how in tune our elementary school was with moderately-current events and pop culture.

Also, this was one of the few instances that I can remember Richard Pryor appearing sans Gene Wilder.

That is awesome.

danimal · 03-14-2008, 12:50 AM

Just based on that small snippet, I disagree and most of the existing literature disagrees. Research shows that children spontaneously lie, when convenient (and sometimes when not even convenient), at a very young age. Now manipulation requires a certain degree of cognitive development as it requires an understanding of the facts and skill to present them in a certain fashion. But plain old lying can be done, and often is, by a 2-year old.

marsupial · 03-14-2008, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by danimal

But plain old lying can be done, and often is, by a 2-year old.

Our 2-year-old, for example... The one smiling in my avatar.

ERCougar · 03-14-2008, 01:33 AM

Great article. Some of the comments were very interesting too. Definitely will think about how I interact with my kids.

There was a discussion on NPR the other day on this article. I only caught a short segment, but there was a caller who said that her mother once told her (picture really intimidating mean voice here) "You'll never lie to me, will you?"

Kind of a funny conundrum.

Jeff Lebowski · 03-14-2008, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danimal

Just based on that small snippet, I disagree and most of the existing literature disagrees. Research shows that children spontaneously lie, when convenient (and sometimes when not even convenient), at a very young age. Now manipulation requires a certain degree of cognitive development as it requires an understanding of the facts and skill to present them in a certain fashion. But plain old lying can be done, and often is, by a 2-year old.

I think the point they were trying to make is that skillful and effective lying takes brains. Anybody can lie, but it takes some talent to make it convincing.

Did you read the entire article or just the snippets? I would be interested in your thoughts.

danimal · 03-14-2008, 01:50 AM

Oh, I see. I just read the snippets. I'll have to read the whole article.

03-14-2008, 12:50 AM	#12
danimal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Your mom's house Posts: 588	Just based on that small snippet, I disagree and most of the existing literature disagrees. Research shows that children spontaneously lie, when convenient (and sometimes when not even convenient), at a very young age. Now manipulation requires a certain degree of cognitive development as it requires an understanding of the facts and skill to present them in a certain fashion. But plain old lying can be done, and often is, by a 2-year old. __________________ Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed, but free to explore extra-marital encounters. Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people? Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but...but it might work for us.

03-14-2008, 01:50 AM	#16
danimal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Your mom's house Posts: 588	Oh, I see. I just read the snippets. I'll have to read the whole article. __________________ Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed, but free to explore extra-marital encounters. Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people? Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but...but it might work for us.

03-14-2008, 01:33 AM	#14
ERCougar Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,589	Great article. Some of the comments were very interesting too. Definitely will think about how I interact with my kids. There was a discussion on NPR the other day on this article. I only caught a short segment, but there was a caller who said that her mother once told her (picture really intimidating mean voice here) "You'll never lie to me, will you?" Kind of a funny conundrum.