Question: Spirituality

[ERCougar]

"Screw you douchebag." - FMCoug

Was this the kind of slander you were talking about?

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

And I don't mean to offend, but saying that you know what God can and can't do seems to me to be the height of arrogance.

Kindly point out where I said that I know what God can and cannot do.

I said that I don't believe in something, and then you call me arrogant. That's ridiculous of you.

You are all about imposing your way of thinking on others. You feel threatened by people who think differently. I don't feel threatened by your beliefs. I don't want to change your beliefs. I just think it's ridiculous that you fling insults over something like this in the name of so-called "spirituality."

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by MudphudCoug

Kindly point out where I said that I know what God can and cannot do.

I said that I don't believe in something, and then you call me arrogant. That's ridiculous of you.

You said that you no longer believe God causes chance meetings. To split hairs, you did not say he can't, you said he doesn't.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

You said that you no longer believe God causes chance meetings. To split hairs, you did not say he can't, you said he doesn't.

I said I don't believe that he causes chance meetings. I never said I knew anything.

You feel threatened by Mormons who don't believe the way you do. Get over it.

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by MudphudCoug

I said I don't believe that he does it. I never said I knew anything.

You feel threatened by Mormons who don't believe the way you do. Get over it.

Threatened? What on earth have I said that could possibly lead you to believe that.

This will piss you off too, but what I have said before and I will say again is I feel saddened that there are Mormons who are believers (not talking about apostates here) who have not had the spiritual experiences that I have. I really can say I know things to be true through the witness of the Spirit and experiences I have had and it has NOTHING to do with intellect. It is my sincerest desire that all members gain that same witness. It that pisses you off, so be it.

[SoonerCoug]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

I really can say I know things to be true through the witness of the Spirit and experiences I have had and it has NOTHING to do with intellect.

What do you think of John Widtsoe's book "A Rational Theology"?

[FMCoug]

Originally Posted by MudphudCoug

What do you think of John Widtsoe's book "A Rational Theology"?

Never read it or even heard of it. I'm a neanderthal remember?

[scottie]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

Threatened? What on earth have I said that could possibly lead you to believe that.

This will piss you off too, but what I have said before and I will say again is I feel saddened that there are Mormons who are believers (not talking about apostates here) who have not had the spiritual experiences that I have. I really can say I know things to be true through the witness of the Spirit and experiences I have had and it has NOTHING to do with intellect. It is my sincerest desire that all members gain that same witness. It that pisses you off, so be it.

Where is this "pissing off" talk coming from? All Sooner did was point out that he didn't say that he knew anything. Why would what you just said piss him or anybody off?

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Archaea

What is it? This is more for FM.

When you're asking for spirituality, what are you looking for?

I'm not certain what you mean by spiritual experiences, unless you simply mean religious, emotional experience with a religious overtone.

Discussion by its very nature tends to be analytical, and emotion, of which spiritual experiences play a part, the soul's manner of expressing its internal assimilation of external stimuli. Actually, I suppose discussion in the form of relationships can tend to be one of sharing and making one feel accepted, but on a guy dominated board, that characteristic is not likely to be prevalent.

Perhaps what you're stating is that manner in which we make heads or tails out of a relating of a spiritual experience is to dissect it to a point where you don't recognize it from the beginning. That may be true from time to time.

The reason I ask is, I have deeply moving experiences at unusual times in unusual places. My last visit to the USS Arizona, was both haunting and moving, to a point of tears. Is that what you want, or do you only want religious based emotion?

To me, a spiritual experience and an emotional one are two different things, and a spiritual one doesn't even have to have much emotion. They just don't feel like the same thing to me. I have no scientific way of explaining the difference to someone else but I certainly sense it.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

Threatened? What on earth have I said that could possibly lead you to believe that.

This will piss you off too, but what I have said before and I will say again is I feel saddened that there are Mormons who are believers (not talking about apostates here) who have not had the spiritual experiences that I have. I really can say I know things to be true through the witness of the Spirit and experiences I have had and it has NOTHING to do with intellect. It is my sincerest desire that all members gain that same witness. It that pisses you off, so be it.

Wow. Take a breath FM.

Your sadness because "there are Mormons who are believers...who have not had the spiritual experiences that I have," is shocking in its arrogance. Does it not occur to you that they have their own spiritual experiences? Let alone the assumption that you are privy to such.

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It is your sincerest desire that all members gain the same witness you have?

Wow. Talk about wielding the conformity hammer. They have their own witnesses, and that, sir, should be enough for you.