Works are a slap in the face to God

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Question for the group: When Uchtdorf spoke in the Sunday afternoon session he said the following:

"It is not repentance per se that saves man. It is the blood of Jesus Christ that saves us. It is not by our sincere and honest change of behavior alone that we are saved, but "by grace that we are saved, after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23)."

Do you feel that he used the "after all we can do" quote in the traditional "we do all we can and Christ accepts that of us" sense or was he using it in the Steven Robinson "even after all we can do" sense?

You know I was watching that. It was unclear to me. I really wanted him to use it in the SR "even" way, but I just couldn't tell. From the context, I thought he was going to do that, but his non-native English style confused the emphasis just enough that it was unclear.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by jay santos

You know I was watching that. It was unclear to me. I really wanted him to use it in the SR "even" way, but I just couldn't tell. From the context, I thought he was going to do that, but his non-native English style confused the emphasis just enough that it was unclear.

That's about what I felt as well. Hearing it live I was fairly certain that his point had the SR emphasis. Reading it I don't feel as certain.

[pelagius]

I hope for grace in any form; I just don't care what form of grace it is:

1) Compensatory grace
2) Corrective grace
3) Transforming grace
4) Cheap grace
5) Prevenient grace
6) Operative grace
7) Efficacious grace
8) Irresistible grace
9) Sufficient grace
10) Preserving Grace

They all sound good to me. On a more serious note, Blake Ostler's, "“The Development of the Mormon Concept of Grace,” (Dialogue 24/1 (1991): 57–84) provides some nice background for discussions of grace:

http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc...&CISOPTR=14125

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by pelagius

I hope for grace in any form; I just don't care what form of grace it is:

1) Compensatory grace
2) Corrective grace
3) Transforming grace
4) Cheap grace
5) Prevenient grace
6) Operative grace
7) Efficacious grace
8) Irresistible grace
9) Sufficient grace
10) Preserving Grace

You forgot one pelagius:

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

You forgot one pelagius:

That's one we can do without!