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Old 05-18-2007, 04:02 AM   #11
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Oh man, that is a classic fusnik post. Nicely done.
Thanks Johnny, errr Tex, errr Indy, errr Leblow-me.

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Old 05-18-2007, 04:06 AM   #12
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Seeing fusnik and Lebowski at odds makes me happy. I vote for a hoyacoug vs. mikewaters fight next.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:50 AM   #13
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Seeing fusnik and Lebowski at odds makes me happy. I vote for a hoyacoug vs. mikewaters fight next.
You're obviously missing the sarcasm/TIC'ishness between the two.

Unless I'm missing the seriousness.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:55 AM   #14
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Thanks Johnny, errr Tex, errr Indy, errr Leblow-me.
Oh, don't get me wrong fusnik. It was an impressive piece of trolling. As is your style, it's provocative, yet ambiguous. Instead of saying "I believe...", or "My friend believes...", you start with "Some believe...", thus leading readers to infer that you are talking about yourself, but leaving just enough doubt that they aren't totally sure. This allows you to float a post arrogantly hinting that church, temples, garments, etc. are for the spiritual amateurs among us, while at the same time maintaining plausible deniability. Bravo.
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:43 AM   #15
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Some believe garments are meant to be removed and that there comes a point in life when garments, the temple, and the church are stages and rituals of life that are no longer needed.
Some believe that wearing a full-body Mickey Mouse costume on the third Friday in May will get their calling and election made sure, but they're just as crazy as the people you're talking about.
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:56 PM   #16
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boo!!!!! IMO its the best novel ever written
I loved it. I'm not a huge fan of the philosophy; everyone agrees there are holes; but I think the book is great.

It's worth noting that Rand was writing in response to communism. Her rabidly capitalistic stance makes more sense in that context.

How can you not love this hyperbole?

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He thought of all the living species that train their young in the art of survival, the cats who teach their kittens to hunt, the birds who spend such strident effort on teaching their fledglings to fly - yet man, whose tool of survival is the mind, does not merely fail to teach a child to think, but devotes the child's education to the pursuit of destroying his brain, of convincing him that thought is futile and evil before he has started to think.

From the first catch-phrases flung at a child to the last, it is like a series of shocks to freeze his motor, to undercut the power of his consciousness. "Don't ask so many questions, children should be seen and not heard!" - "Who are you to think? It's so, because I say so!" - Don't argue, obey!" - "Don't try to understand believe!" - "Don't rebel, adjust!" - "Don't stand out, belong! - "Don't struggle, compromise!" - "Your heart is more important than your mind!" - Who are you to know? Your parents know best!" - "Who are you to know? Society knows best!" "Who are you to know? The bureaucrats know best!" (pp. 914-915 in 1957 Signet paperback edition)
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:15 PM   #17
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Uh...nevermind....I retract my TIC meter....it sucks. I guess it was a serious barb. Not that I disagree with Lebowski either.
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:43 PM   #18
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Oh, don't get me wrong fusnik. It was an impressive piece of trolling. As is your style, it's provocative, yet ambiguous. Instead of saying "I believe...", or "My friend believes...", you start with "Some believe...", thus leading readers to infer that you are talking about yourself, but leaving just enough doubt that they aren't totally sure. This allows you to float a post arrogantly hinting that church, temples, garments, etc. are for the spiritual amateurs among us, while at the same time maintaining plausible deniability. Bravo.
Fantastic analysis. I've never really taken the time to figure out what makes fusnik such an effective troll... nicely done.
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For the record, trolling doesn't bother me:

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=2620311

Except for extreme cases, of course.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:04 PM   #20
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For the record, trolling doesn't bother me:

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=2620311

Except for extreme cases, of course.
That explains a lot.

And what are these extreme cases?
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