Easiest way to stop terrorists

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

There are two competing interests:

1. What it takes to win
2. What it takes to retain our souls

That's why I hate Bush's torture policy so much. Because it doesn't satisfy either interests. The very small tactical gain of torture is outweighted by the public relations lost, and good will of other countries lost.

But I find it interesting that many people who support torture will not admit to any moral cost. Zilch. They are not honest.

Which begs the question....is it immoral to torture one or a few to save the lives of thousands, tens of thousands....etc..etc..etc?

To me it's a bit of a dichotomy...the whole point of the immoral practice of torture is to morally save lives and get information.

At least that's one theory.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Which begs the question....is it immoral to torture one or a few to save the lives of thousands, tens of thousands....etc..etc..etc?

To me it's a bit of a dichotomy...the whole point of the immoral practice of torture is to morally save lives and get information.

At least that's one theory.

But then you have to ask, are there certain things I would not do to save tens of thousands of lives?

Even when you think you are acting on God's order, the cost is high. If you are human.

Other militiamen who carried out the massacre labored the rest of their lives under a horrible sense of guilt and recurring nightmares of what they had done and seen.

Families of the men who masterminded the crime suffered as neighbors ostracized them or claimed curses had fallen upon them.

http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOr...a____&locale=0

[MikeWaters]

Kind of disappointed that this thread hasn't stimulated some thought.

I think it's fascinating. How people maintain (or don't maintain) their morals while trying to protect themselves.

I think it is to the credit of America, that we are not using Syria's techniques. Yet.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Kind of disappointed that this thread hasn't stimulated some thought.

I think it's fascinating. How people maintain (or don't maintain) their morals while trying to protect themselves.

I think it is to the credit of America, that we are not using Syria's techniques. Yet.

Syria's techniques??

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

Syria's techniques??

read the wikipedia entry in this thread.

the equivalent would be this: Al Qaeda attacks, and half the men in Gitmo are executed.

Attack in an Iraqi town. Thousands of casualties in the town as tanks and artillery come in.

It's doing things like the Romans did them. Absolutely ruthless until all rebellion is suppressed.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

read the wikipedia entry in this thread.

the equivalent would be this: Al Qaeda attacks, and half the men in Gitmo are executed.

Attack in an Iraqi town. Thousands of casualties in the town as tanks and artillery come in.

It's doing things like the Romans did them. Absolutely ruthless until all rebellion is suppressed.

thanks.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

read the wikipedia entry in this thread.

the equivalent would be this: Al Qaeda attacks, and half the men in Gitmo are executed.

Attack in an Iraqi town. Thousands of casualties in the town as tanks and artillery come in.

It's doing things like the Romans did them. Absolutely ruthless until all rebellion is suppressed.

That is the only method that has ever succeeded in suppressing the idiotic behavior that occurs in the Middle East, and I do NOT wish for America to become that barbaric.

We are not barbarians and need to leave so the barbarians can kill themselves.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

That is the only method that has ever succeeded in suppressing the idiotic behavior that occurs in the Middle East, and I do NOT wish for America to become that barbaric.

We are not barbarians and need to leave so the barbarians can kill themselves.

i am sorry to bring it up ,but would you please enlighten me about "puke party " since with all barbaric acts i have been witness of ,it was truely amazing for me to see some american soldiers from the allegedly most civilized country in the world are having it in iraq to make them feel better??..the video is still available.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

i am sorry to bring it up ,but would you please enlighten me about "puke party " since with all barbaric acts i have been witness of ,it was truely amazing for me to see some american soldiers from the allegedly most civilized country in the world are having it in iraq to make them feel better??..the video is still available.

I don't know anything about puke party, you'll have to enlighten me.

Soldiers often do dumb things. Things which get them court marshalled, and jailed.

You've never heard of soldiers doing dumb things before?

Military history is replete with even the best armies doing dumb things, that's why war is so unpredictable.


You've never ever explained or justified the "fatwa of death".

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

I don't know anything about puke party, you'll have to enlighten me.

Soldiers often do dumb things. Things which get them court marshalled, and jailed.

You've never heard of soldiers doing dumb things before?

Military history is replete with even the best armies doing dumb things, that's why war is so unpredictable.


You've never ever explained or justified the "fatwa of death".

it wouldnot be too difficult to comprehend the core of "fatwa of death" ( as you call it while we even dont have the same term in shia) if you and i had a single common principal .
so i would let you enjoy the mystery