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Bear in mind that foreign affairs, including the waging of wars, is the field now where the executive branch has virtually no oversight. Congress doesn't even declare war anymore. So if the president lacks scruple about torture that's all she wrote, we're a country that tortures.
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First and foremost are civil liberties afforded citizens. Second, legal immigrants. Third, those who deserve legal immigrant status. Our enemies abroad deserve a lower priority. I fault Romney for not having smart enough advisors to sidestep this issue so that it does become bigger. If he can't deftly deflect that, how will he do so on a larger stage?
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Romney may not cheat on his wife, but based on what I have seen in him, I hardly see him as a paragon of principled ethics. Principled convenience and personal gain, more like it. Yes, there are many politicians that are exactly the same. That's why I respect McCain. When he says "I won't torture" I tend to believe him. |
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Four or five, enemy combatants versus 300 million persons' civil liberties, and you choose to decide on that basis as opposed to the more pertinent daily issues. As for me, I'd rather hear what people have to say about immigration, or tax relief, or matters potentially affecting me. I'd prefer somebody who reserves judgment until he knows the facts of something far removed. Of course, since it involves so few persons, he should probably say, "yeah, I'll stop it," because he won't win votes by continuing it. However, it doesn't sound pragmatic nor rational to become emotional about the issue which will not impact me, my neighbors, the citizens of my country, legal immigrants or those who may become legal immigrants. When viewed in relationship to the magnitude of the impact, I don't see its relevance. Yes I'm for civil liberties and fair treatment, and I would become strident in protection of those constitutional rights, but these limited persons will never appreciate the protections nor thank you or me for them. In short, you're emotional about something that will never benefit our country.
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The slide into Putin-style democracy doesn't happen suddenly. It's gradual. And it's done in the name of security from outsiders.
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McCain's staked his area, feels it creates a moral high ground and is fighting for it like a seasoned military commander. Once you've staked what others perceive is right you claim it and fight like no tomorrow. That's all that's going here, and for you to believe the rhetoric shows naivety of the process and its participants.
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Rhetorically, you're learning from the best, but actions of limited scope not involving our citizens, our legal immigrants or even those illegal immigrants who are resident here, are not likely to be extended to combatants from the battle field. Again, I would recommend a procedure which is offensive to the public sensibilities not be performed. There is no benefit and there's a political harm to be incurred.
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