01-23-2007, 07:28 PM | #21 |
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John the Beloved and Revelation
P.S. God did forbid Nephi to write down his vision that was also recorded by John the Beloved in Revelation, so I'll concede that book has value too.[/QUOTE]
Scholars as early as the 3rd century knew that John the Beloved did not write Revelation. And if you read Greek it is equally obvious. I don't even know how Revelation made it into the canon. That was nigh unto a miracle itself. That's a Book of Mormon "oops". |
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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/14/27#24
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/77 Was Joseph Smith really that clueless? |
01-23-2007, 07:49 PM | #23 |
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What demonstrable improvements does the Bible provide over the other standard works, as they pertain specifically to the Doctrines of Salvation?
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Don't blame Joseph Smith...
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Those who canonized Revelation were the ones that got it wrong first. Of course it could have been written by a different John. It doesn't claim to be written by one of Jesus' disciples. Last edited by Chapel-Hill-Coug; 01-23-2007 at 07:58 PM. Reason: addition to text. |
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However, given that the mind of God is difficult to comprehend in all its ways, any information we have concerning God's dealings with humanity is useful, IMHO.
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Scholars as early as the 3rd century knew that John the Beloved did not write Revelation. And if you read Greek it is equally obvious. I don't even know how Revelation made it into the canon. That was nigh unto a miracle itself. That's a Book of Mormon "oops".[/QUOTE] I agree with this. It's "apocalyptic literature," written pseudonymously, like the apocalyses of Paul and Peter and the Secret Book of John. I find the arguments that it's describing Christian persecution under Domitian and Nero quite persuasive.
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However, I have another reason, perhaps non religioiusly related. Much of our Western literature has references tied to the Bible. A person would end up uneducated if one ignored it. Even my atheist Math prof in high school, finally broke down and read it, declaring, "even though I don't believe, I don't want to be ignorant of an important part of our culture." Which reminds me of a cartoon at Oxford. Atheist to priest: "Is it okay if I don't stand during mass?" Priest: "It's okay by me, but people will think you don't understand Latin."
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I suppose with a living prophet, all scripture could be potentially doctrinally redundant. Is the BoM doctrinally redundant? I love the New Testament. I think the LDS view is and should be equally Bible-friendly as Catholics or Christians are. |
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Joseph's theology doesn't become otherwise until the late 1830s when his view of the godhead starts changing. I guess he remembered his vision then or something, I don't know. Until then it was very protestant and very biblical. |
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