03-30-2006, 05:08 AM | #21 | |
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Your statement confirms what I have thought about you for a while- you are simply homophobic. You have some crazy fear that at some point a gay man might grab you and take you into a back room for some manly loving. You don't have a problem with lesbians because you don't perceive a threat of being man-molested. I haven't ever seen you in person, but I think you may be giving yourself a bit too much credit here in the looks department. You have managed to make it this far in life without being man-loved, something tells me you are safe from here on out as well. :P |
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I couldn't have possibly said it any better. Very well put. |
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How do you think gays feel? Perhaps that the hate directed at them is "REAL and unnerving?" Isn't the answer exactly what SoCal said above? Treat the people with the respect they deserve. You don't have to accept homosexuality as being legitimate, but we should be kinder and more loving towards those who are homosexual. |
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03-30-2006, 05:21 AM | #24 | |
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Umm, wow. No other word comes to mind. Hey, 5 posts in a row! Is that cougarguard bingo? |
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I currently live, work, study and raise my children in part of the world where I am in the minority, both racially and ideologically, and in certain respects, opportunity. The characterization as hate speech has already begun to occur … if Homosexual rights are afforded the same constitutional protections as racial and gender rights, then verbal or written condemnation of homosexual behavior may be construed as hate … the so called enlightened advocates and judges you site will have no trouble reaching such a conclusion. Pointing out inevitable consequence is not fear mongering … refrain for disparaging my remarks, or qualifying them as fear, and contend with my valid ideas. When did I ever state that a homosexual person should not be treated with respect? In fact I ahve stated many times on this board and elswereh that they should be viewed as an individual of worht and value to all facets of society and culture, and not merely a homosexual. |
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03-30-2006, 04:44 PM | #27 | |
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How do you arrive at the conclusion that the consequences you discuss are "inevitable?" While remarks against gays may be "hateful" they will not, in the context of a church meeting, ever arise to the level of "hate speech" unless those members immediately leave church, inspired by the speech, and attack homosexuals. Do you find that to be at all likely? That is the standard for hate speech. If not, then I don't think your concerns are all that inevitable. |
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Let me explain further my perspective on ‘inevitable’. In recent years the Church very nearly abandoned Scouting in Canada due to unforeseen but ‘inevitable’ consequences of guarantying homosexuals the same rights secured to protect against gender and race discrimination in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The Charter of Rights in Canada has been changed to reflect such guaranties. In the wake of these changes a homosexual activist in Toronto challenged scouts Canada’s policy of prohibiting homosexuals from being scout leaders or even of forming teen homosexual scout troops. This activist threatened a lawsuit and in fact identified the wording in Scouts Canada policies as not only discriminatory but potentially ‘hate speech’. As a result Scouts Canada changed its policies and wordings. Their lawyers very brightly conceded and informed the activist that he could be a scout leader and even form a homosexual troop, with the youths parents permission. The dumfounded activist didn’t really want to be a scout leader; he never formed a troop and dropped the issue. Regardless, the church was forced to reevaluate its relationship with scouts Canada. Ultimately scouts Canada, not wanting to miss out on the principle funding that keeps them afloat, has guaranteed the church the right to prohibit girls from joining scout troops and to assign (call) it’s own scout leaders. Was this event foreseeable –not readily. Was it inevitable –Yes! |
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Maybe I don't fully understand you though. In order to be hate speeach, does the speaker have to intend that the listener commit violence as a result? If yes, what level of intent are we talking about, actual intent, scienter, etc.? Or is any speech that inspires violence hate speech if the person is, in fact inspired? Also, what does "inspire" mean in this context? Is it any intellectual shove at all regardless of whether or at what level the listen is predisposed to some act? Must particular action be suggested?
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