What's your take on this guy's question?

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You've been quite charitable to Tex's position. He also seems to imply mistakes are never made, that the structure of the counsel to repent could not use improvement and that nobody should ever find it harsh or uncaring.

Nah I think you misunderstood him. He is too smart a fellow to imply those things.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

He also seems to imply mistakes are never made, that the structure of the counsel to repent could not use improvement and that nobody should ever find it harsh or uncaring.

He implied that in this thread? Wow.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

He implied that in this thread? Wow.

He actually has a far more extensive work than just his thread.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I agree with you Tex. Church discipline can help a person to repent, however you don't have to have church discipline to repent.

I'll assume for the moment you didn't read my comment in post #3 of this very thread.

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

He implied that in this thread? Wow.

Speaks volumes.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

He implied that in this thread? Wow.

It is good to have an orthodox representation of faith and works, with an emphasis upon punishment for sin. So Tex, and to a lesser extent, you provide us with that perspective.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

I'll assume for the moment you didn't read my comment in post #3 of this very thread.



Speaks volumes.

I did read it Tex, I thought it meant that just because you are under church discipline, doesn't mean you are forgiven.

I didn't know I could just assume from that you likewise felt you could be forgiven without going through the church discipline process. I felt I needed to guess at that one.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Tex

Before we start hyperventilating too loudly, it deserves a 2nd reiteration that this is a hypothetical situation.



*Cue broken record.

Church discipline is part of helping a person to repent.

Do you really want to go the rounds on this again, santos?

You got smoked last time, but if you really want to, go ahead.

Church discipline is PART of helping a person to repent because it's written into the process. You go in circles. One must answer to the church and participate humbly in church discipline in order to repent BECAUSE the church has defined it as requisite.

You and Indy were the ones to push this along this time with sarcastic slams at me wanting to eliminate consequences for sin, which is absurd.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by jay santos

You got smoked last time, but if you really want to, go ahead.

Church discipline is PART of helping a person to repent because it's written into the process. You go in circles. One must answer to the church and participate humbly in church discipline in order to repent BECAUSE the church has defined it as requisite.

You and Indy were the ones to push this along this time with sarcastic slams at me wanting to eliminate consequences for sin, which is absurd.

That's correct. I've not read anybody claiming there should be no consequences for sin, as anybody who has sinned realizes there are consequences. It's just what consequences and whether the Church should exacerbate them.

Repentance is required, but the Church has defined it to include tattling to the ecclesiastical leader.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I did read it Tex, I thought it meant that just because you are under church discipline, doesn't mean you are forgiven.

I didn't know I could just assume from that you likewise felt you could be forgiven without going through the church discipline process. I felt I needed to guess at that one.

I don't think church discipline and repentance/forgiveness are inextricably linked in a 1:1 ratio, no. That you felt you need to guess at that one says more about you than about me.

Originally Posted by jay santos

You got smoked last time, but if you really want to, go ahead.

Lebowski? Is that you?

Originally Posted by jay santos

Church discipline is PART of helping a person to repent because it's written into the process. You go in circles. One must answer to the church and participate humbly in church discipline in order to repent BECAUSE the church has defined it as requisite.

By "the church" I assume you mean "by revelation" and thus "by the Lord", right?

Originally Posted by Archaea

It is good to have an orthodox representation of faith and works, with an emphasis upon punishment for sin. So Tex, and to a lesser extent, you provide us with that perspective.

Speaking of sarcasm ...

Sorry, did you want me to take you seriously, or shall we just trade bromides for a few posts?

[Indy Coug]

Based on my current experience, it already takes a helluva lot for someone to be subjected to church discipline.