Elder Oaks bashed Utah County tonight

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

Brother Faccione is a High Councilor in my stake! Great guy he learned to read when he was in his 40s. A true testament of changing your life to be a mormon

We watched the DVD yesterday. Sounds like a facinating man.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Oh my. You are indeed clueless. The Utah County link was a joke by FM.

my comment was general in nature. Read my entire post. They know what's going on and where things are or are not happening. Are you saying Utah is not the hotbed for Mormon scams?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by exUte

my comment was general in nature. Read my entire post. They know what's going on and where things are or are not happening. Are you saying Utah is not the hotbed for Mormon scams?

Your comment was not general in nature. Neither is this post. You simply confirmed your cluelessness. Elder Oaks did not single out Utah. That was FM's spin (by his own admission).

LDS people in general are susceptible to financial scams by fellow members, due to their tendency to trust any fellow member of the tribe, and a culture that links possessions with righteousness. If there is an abnormal number of scams in Utah (and Utah County in particular) it is most likely due to a higher concentration of Mormons in those areas. The two major ponzi schemes I posted above in Southern California involving LDS members illustrate this phenomenon.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Sure, but using LDS ties to promote a scam among fellow members is not at all limited to Utah County. And when Elder Oaks warns LDS faithful about such scams, to imply that he is "really" talking about those stupid UC folks and not about the overall LDS population is absurd.

I never said that what Oaks was saying was that it was Utah or UC folks, that was FM. All I said that complaining about the proliferation of scams originating in the UC is a valid complaint, which I think is true.

Perhaps I should have been more precise in indicating that I equate MLM's with financial scams and that, in particular, is what I single out as overly abundant in UC, and the source of my criticism.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Your comment was not general in nature. Neither is this post. You simply confirmed your cluelessness. Elder Oaks did not single out Utah. That was FM's spin (by his own admission).

LDS people in general are susceptible to financial scams by fellow members, due to their tendency to trust any fellow member of the tribe, and a culture that links possessions with righteousness. If there is an abnormal number of scams in Utah (and Utah County in particular) it is most likely due to a higher concentration of Mormons in those areas. The two major ponzi schemes I posted above in Southern California involving LDS members illustrate this phenomenon.

as to your cluelessness.

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PS...ScamState.html

Utah is well known around the country for scams........

http://www.mlmwatch.org/11Legal/utahbill.html

"proven to cause financial loses to over 99% of participants. This extraordinary loss rate has been documented in at least four separate independent investigations."

Yeah, it's all a joke! Yank that noggin out of your butt! LOL

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

For about 5 years, my wife and I lived about 8 blocks from here, right up Newport Coast Blvd.

I like this place better than Utah County.



I did enjoy the proximity of the mountains in Utah County, though.

I hated that ugly supermarket that looks like an oyster.

Marriotts Newport Coast Villas - nice. We stayed there this past October.

By the way, it's not an oyster - it's an upside down turtle and it's torn down now.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

Marriotts Newport Coast Villas - nice. We stayed there this past October.

By the way, it's not an oyster - it's an upside down turtle and it's torn down now.

Stayed there May 2006. Very nice.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

Marriotts Newport Coast Villas - nice. We stayed there this past October.

By the way, it's not an oyster - it's an upside down turtle and it's torn down now.

Yes, exactly. So if you drive down NC Blvd from the Marriott, you get to PCH and the 2 big Arches.

If you go up the hill about 3 stop lights, you get to a local strip mall/shopping center/grocery store on San Joaquin Hill Road. We lived about one block from that intersection. We loved it there. Lots of fun.

It seems like everyone who stays at the Marriott loves it. We have never been there, but have heard nothing but good things about it.

[YOhio]

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695261200,00.html