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In a vacuum, I can see why a middle aged man, who's lived his entire life on a computer would not see any harm in grabbing a bunch whacko terroists, waiving a few pesky civil liberties and to kill the bastards before they get us. I have witnessed at many levels the abuses of government here, and abroad, by virtue of the nature of my profession. The abuses are very real. As far as a PR snowjob on abridgement of civil liberties, the administration has done a great snow job. Living is cyberspace may be a great life, and it may provide with many intellectual challenges, but living amongst the bureaucrats, the prosecutors, the street people, as lawyers, cops, and many others so that you can see how government "operates" at the micro level, and these esoteric rights are no longer theory but reality.
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PS to those watching: this IS just a derivative of the "I'm smarter than you" logical fallacy. Also known as: "If you knew what I knew, you'd agree with me." I don't think you'll find conservatives among the people who would argue that government cannot abuse its power.
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I also appreciated your bold prediction that a "modified" patriot act would pass today. What does that even mean? That some form of legislation pertaining to some rights in some undescribed manner may be passed by some future legislature? Thought-provoking. |
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07-03-2007, 10:37 PM | #25 |
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The way you used "statistically significant" shows you have no idea what that word means.
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I'm worried about the erosion of rights before and as they occur. How is, "I've got experience in this" a derivative, "I'm smarter"? I don't see the connection frankly. Conservatives typically live middle or upper class lives with very little intrusion that disturbs their Stepford Wives view of life. Life has forced me outside of my comfort zone.
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Were the Japanese internment camps limited to 10 people it would still have been wrong, but it would not have been a whole-scale disenfranchisement of an entire people. By the way, Congrats on guest blogging for Rosanne Barr: http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2007/06/impeach_1.php
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I have no problem with this. Examine away.
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"rarely see how bureaucrats operate"?? "living in cyberspace"?? "lived his entire life on a computer"??? Just exactly what do you think software developers do all day? Do you think they code just for the sake of coding? Software developers code to solve real-world problems. Guess what, software developers even write code for lawyers, the court system, the prison system, government, the CIA, the NSA, etc. How do they know what to write? Do you think they just sit in their cubicle all day and magically come up with stuff that can be used in the "real world" without understanding the real world? You seem to think that being a lawyer somehow gives you more real-world knowledge about civil rights abuses under the Patriot act. So the contracts attorney that reviews business deals all day - he knows all about the street people, the cops, the government, the Patriot act, civil rights abuses, etc. huh? That's hogwash. Just as programming is specialized, so lawyering is specialized. Sure, there are some lawyers that have tons of real knowledge about government abuses - but that's not just because they are lawyers. There are many people from many different professions that have knowledge about government abuses. I'm obviously not arguing that abuses can't or don't happen. What I'm arguing is that being a lawyer doesn't necessarily give one any special knowledge about abuses and thus it's unreasonable to hold your profession above some other profession when it comes to gaining "real world" knowledge about anything (be it government abuses or anything else). If someone wants to know about the U.S. Government's civil rights abuses, don't say "I can understand how you wouldn't know anything about this seeing as how you aren't a lawyer". There are tons of lawyers that don't have a clue about the U.S. Government's civil rights abuses. The bottom line is that your profession really has nothing to do with it and that instead of taking a jab at someone's profession, you should come up with specific examples from your real-world knowledge of the U.S. Government's civil rights abuses under the Patriot Act (which is what, I believe, the original poster initially asked for). Now, all that being said, I would sit by you at a BYU game any day. Nothing personal. Peace bro. |
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