Writing the brethren

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

If you are using the term 'socialist" in the marxist sense, then I would disagree. I am not interested in any revolution, the proletariat rebellion, communist evolution, etc..

I think people here confuse the issue. I am left leaning on my social views--I dont mind if gays get married, it doesnt bother me. I also am not opposed to amnesty for illegals. I don't want guns placed into vending machines so that everyone can protect their home.

As for economic issues, I do NOT like paying lots of taxes. But I also understand that taxes fund our nation. It is a necessary evil.

If you pay your tithing, you are just as much a socialist. Or a communist.

I have also made clear that the likelihood of any politician converting our current medical system into a socialized regime is ridiculous. It will never happen, which is why I dont focus much on that issue.

You should run for office, as you're pretty good at spin control.

Hey, I'm libertarian on social issues and conservative on economic. So to declare yourself "left leaning" when in fact you're libertarian, only to cloak your socialist economic agenda, is pretty good spin control. Keep it up Sparky.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by FMCoug

Have to call you out on this one. Tithing is voluntary. Taxes are confiscatory. BIG difference.

Tithing is NOT voluntary. As far as I know, no tithing=no temple recommend.

It is implied that you are on a path to the fiery furnace if you do not pay your tithing. You cannot be a member in full standing without paying it.

True, there is no legal requirement that we pay tithing, but it is very much as real, if not moreso, than income tax payments.

As members, we are asked to sign up for live annual audits of our tithing. Statistically speaking, the IRS will likely never question any of us about our taxes.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Tithing is NOT voluntary. As far as I know, no tithing=no temple recommend.

It is implied that you are on a path to the fiery furnace if you do not pay your tithing. You cannot be a member in full standing without paying it.

True, there is no legal requirement that we pay tithing, but it is very much as real, if not moreso, than income tax payments.

As members, we are asked to sign up for live annual audits of our tithing. Statistically speaking, the IRS will likely never question any of us about our taxes.

It's voluntary and it's voluntary how one decides to compute it. It is a charitable decision not a decision in favor of socialism. That's a rich comparison, tithing is to the dole, as ______ is to De Gaul

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You should run for office, as you're pretty good at spin control.

Hey, I'm libertarian on social issues and conservative on economic. So to declare yourself "left leaning" when in fact you're libertarian, only to cloak your socialist economic agenda, is pretty good spin control. Keep it up Sparky.

I dont allign myself with any political party. What would be the point of that?

I find that those who do are the ones who spend the majority of their time justifying every contradictory belief their party espouses.

I am not a Libertarian. I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am simply DDD. And I am at your service.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I dont allign myself with any political party. What would be the point of that?

I find that those who do are the ones who spend the majority of their time justifying every contradictory belief their party espouses.

I am not a Libertarian. I am not a Democrat. I am not a Republican. I am simply DDD. And I am at your service.

Your "liberal leanings" as defined by you actually appear to be libertarian, note the lack of capitalization.

However, economically you appear quite liberal.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

It's voluntary and it's voluntary how one decides to compute it. It is a charitable decision not a decision in favor of socialism. That's a rich comparison, tithing is to the dole, as ______ is to De Gaul

My original point, Mr Spin Apprentice, was that I dont get too bent out of shape that we have to pay taxes. I dont like paying them, but realistically, there isnt much alternative. The issue is how to determine a fair assessment.

The concept of basically being forced to pay tithing is just as socialist as being forced to pay taxes. Tithing is used to help feed and clothe the less fortunate...including people who cant pay their rent, need help with school supplies, car payments, and just about every other thing that some here dislike about social programs......taking from the haves and giving to the have nots. I dont see much of a difference. if it makes sense from a Church perspective, why not from a civic perspective?

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Your "liberal leanings" as defined by you actually appear to be libertarian, note the lack of capitalization.

However, economically you appear quite liberal.

Apologies. did not notice that lack of capitalization.

on what basis do you see me as being liberal ecomonically? The fact that I begrudgingly see the need to pay taxes? Well, on that basis, maybe I am liberal economically.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Tithing is NOT voluntary. As far as I know, no tithing=no temple recommend.

It is implied that you are on a path to the fiery furnace if you do not pay your tithing. You cannot be a member in full standing without paying it.

True, there is no legal requirement that we pay tithing, but it is very much as real, if not moreso, than income tax payments.

As members, we are asked to sign up for live annual audits of our tithing. Statistically speaking, the IRS will likely never question any of us about our taxes.

Tithing is voluntary. The consequence of not paying is no temple attendance.

Taxes, OTH, are taken out before folks receive their paychecks. There is no choice.

And taxes are taken out before one can choose to pay tithing as well.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Tithing is voluntary. The consequence of not paying is no temple attendance.

Taxes, OTH, are taken out before folks receive their paychecks. There is no choice.

And taxes are taken out before one can choose to pay tithing as well.

Then along those lines, taxes are voluntary also.

If you dont want withholdings, adjust your W4. You can pay zero taxes if you wish.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Then along those lines, taxes are voluntary also.

If you dont want withholdings, adjust your W4. You can pay zero taxes if you wish.

Then you have to explain to the IRS why you did what you did and pay all the money owed.

If you don't pay tithing this year, you can do it next year and get a recommend.