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BarbaraGordon · 08-21-2008, 08:36 PM

Quote:

"he's a lover, not a fighter."

oops, was I singing out loud again?

my bad.

YOhio · 08-21-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

"he's a lover, not a fighter."

Now that would be a change from politics as usual.

Ma'ake · 08-21-2008, 09:51 PM

If it comes down to a brawl, how can McCain claim he'll bring change when he's the consumate Washington insider, been there almost as long as Hatch.

"But he's different, he's a maverick" - anyone remember the "Keating 5"? John McCain, front & center.

There were rumors in January about McCain and a woman (different than Cindy). That may come out.

Unfortunately, negative campaigning works, McCain has hired Rove's understudy and Obama's campaign know they have to counter punch if they expect to win. McCain learned a lesson from getting smeared by Bush in 2000 - if you want to win, you'll have to get in the mud.

No matter who wins, the negative campaigning will undermine whoever is the victor.

Unfortunately.

MikeWaters · 08-22-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Possible, but that is a scandal that is hard to quickly explain and, therefore, is a scandal that people won't find nearly as interesting. If McCain goes the "scandal" route, his relationship with his female lobbyist friend will also come out, and so will reminders about the Keating 5. I think people tire quickly of the back and forth on the scandals between campaigns, but I think McCain's inability to remember how many homes he owns will stick. And it turns out it is 8, not 7 as the Obama camp reported in that ad.

how is a nonsexual relationship with a lobbyist a scandal?

Obama is a pawn of kingmakers, shady ones. He didn't come up on his own. He was selected, groomed and funded.

Ma'ake · 08-22-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

how is a nonsexual relationship with a lobbyist a scandal?

Obama is a pawn of kingmakers, shady ones. He didn't come up on his own. He was selected, groomed and funded.

As Karl Rove established with ads suggesting an elected judge in Alabama looked kind of like a child molester, the relationship only has to have an *appearance* of being inappropriate to do political damage. Put it this way, would your wife approve of you flying around in a private jet with some (relative) hottie? Let's ignore what your own wife might think... let's play to the collective angst of women wary of philanderers. (Obama did battle with Bill C in the primary... not much traction there.)

On the second point, who is Obama's puppeteer? Who are the king makers here? The Chicago political machine? Labor unions? The Harvard Law Journal? Is he the great hope for the black panthers? Is he Osama's main man in Washington?

myboynoah · 08-22-2008, 01:46 AM

Obama campaign trying to portray McCain as a privileged snob out of touch with reality and the common man . . . . priceless. The guy spent six years in Hanoi getting in touch with reality.

This is exactly what McCain wanted. He likes to mix it up inside and is a great counter puncher. In which round does Obama go down? Fifth? Sixth?

MikeWaters · 08-22-2008, 01:48 AM

the difference between the Keating stuff and the Obama stuff is this:

McCain says I'm sorry. Obama says "there's nothing here to see folks, move along."

McCain then comes across as sincere and authentic and repentant, while Obama comes across as the opposite.

So, no, I think the Keating stuff would be a terrible move for Obama, which means of course that the dems will play it.

il Padrino Ute · 08-22-2008, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

the difference between the Keating stuff and the Obama stuff is this:

McCain says I'm sorry. Obama says "there's nothing here to see folks, move along."

McCain then comes across as sincere and authentic and repentant, while Obama comes across as the opposite.

So, no, I think the Keating stuff would be a terrible move for Obama, which means of course that the dems will play it.

And let's hope they do.

Tex · 08-22-2008, 03:42 PM

MikeWaters · 08-22-2008, 03:45 PM

Here's the reason Obama can't go negative--he's the candidate of change, of bringing a different kind of politics. If he becomes the candidate who is bout winning, whatever it takes, then he no longer gets credit for a different kind of politics. And suddenly he is just any old candidate, but with a lot less experience and mettle.

He's in a box on this one. Just like with the surge. He has to claim the surge was a failure.

08-22-2008, 01:46 AM	#26
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Obama campaign trying to portray McCain as a privileged snob out of touch with reality and the common man . . . . priceless. The guy spent six years in Hanoi getting in touch with reality. This is exactly what McCain wanted. He likes to mix it up inside and is a great counter puncher. In which round does Obama go down? Fifth? Sixth? __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

08-22-2008, 03:42 PM	#29
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	__________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

08-21-2008, 09:51 PM	#23
Ma'ake Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SLC Posts: 441	If it comes down to a brawl, how can McCain claim he'll bring change when he's the consumate Washington insider, been there almost as long as Hatch. "But he's different, he's a maverick" - anyone remember the "Keating 5"? John McCain, front & center. There were rumors in January about McCain and a woman (different than Cindy). That may come out. Unfortunately, negative campaigning works, McCain has hired Rove's understudy and Obama's campaign know they have to counter punch if they expect to win. McCain learned a lesson from getting smeared by Bush in 2000 - if you want to win, you'll have to get in the mud. No matter who wins, the negative campaigning will undermine whoever is the victor. Unfortunately.

08-22-2008, 01:48 AM	#27
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	the difference between the Keating stuff and the Obama stuff is this: McCain says I'm sorry. Obama says "there's nothing here to see folks, move along." McCain then comes across as sincere and authentic and repentant, while Obama comes across as the opposite. So, no, I think the Keating stuff would be a terrible move for Obama, which means of course that the dems will play it.

08-22-2008, 03:45 PM	#30
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Here's the reason Obama can't go negative--he's the candidate of change, of bringing a different kind of politics. If he becomes the candidate who is bout winning, whatever it takes, then he no longer gets credit for a different kind of politics. And suddenly he is just any old candidate, but with a lot less experience and mettle. He's in a box on this one. Just like with the surge. He has to claim the surge was a failure.