01-18-2007, 05:33 PM | #21 |
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And by the way, there is a μὴ in Romans 4:5, and an argument as to which part it applies to does, in fact, exist. But my objective is not to poke holes in your other argument, since it is largely irrelevant anyway.
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Using scholarship to bolster one's religious views is a silly exercise. It ultimately comes down to faith, and the gulf between the fantastic claims made in the Bible -- regardless of how you interpret them -- and that which is verifiable is so great, that no amount of scholarship will ever get you an inch closer to the truth. I don't care how many original texts you have or how adept you are at translation or how capable you are of reading the mind of Paul, you're still arguing about a book that talks of Gods, angels, miracles, resurrected beings, virgin births, etc.. If you're going to accept all of those incredible claims, isn't it kind of silly to insist on an educated approach when discussing them?
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The grammar is more than clear. The μὴ modifies ἐργαζομένῳ (verb, to work), even Mormon scholars will admit that. Quote:
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I see no reason to assume absolute naturalism or materialism or anti-supernaturalism from the get-go. |
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God expects us to work with our minds, as the methodology of how the various scripts devolve down to us teach us so that we can divine which aspects come from man and which aspects remain divine. The reality is, Aaron fundamentally believes the compilation of script is inerrantly correct and ignores as Ehrman points out is origin, men. He also ignores our belief that God, or an inspired prophet, could turn scripture on its head.
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If so, then why didn't He do a better job? Given the myriad of denominations, doctrines, and practices, not to mention interdenominational hostility, the Bible just hasn't turned out to be a very good "how to" be all and end all book on Christianity. Hence the need for a living prophet.
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Granted, there are many sects that believe Peter's underwear was green, but many of them disagree as to which shade of green. The fundamentalist insist they were forest green, but there is much evidence emerging that suggests his underwear was, indeed, kelly green. I've also read some authors who insist that J.M. Barrie was color-blind and that his concept of green has nothing in common with our modern day perception of green. It's a thorny issue, to be sure.
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What's gone unanswered here is that Mormons believe Joseph's translation but also believe with the original text of Paul. We do take scripture to be the word of God and don't easily shrug it off. |
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