12-14-2007, 12:05 AM | #31 | |
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When the moment came for SWK to act prophetic -it was SUDDEN; it was powerful and decisive. It was inspiration and most decidedly instantaneous confirmation. For support was unanimous and unflinching. |
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12-14-2007, 12:18 AM | #32 | |
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In other words, it wasn't God that changed his mind. It was the apostles that had opposed it. Can you understand where Adam is coming from? |
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12-14-2007, 12:37 AM | #33 | |
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I contend with the absurd notion that SWK had to work the Apostles and that it was merely or mostly an arduous process. We have the testimonies of those present that SWK's decision was prophetic, powerfull and accompanied by confirmation of the Spirit ... Such is sudden and powerful inspiration. The fruits of which are a church that has never looked back -if only it's members would move on. |
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12-14-2007, 12:41 AM | #34 | |
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12-14-2007, 12:51 AM | #35 | |
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That is why the twelve sit in council. That is why the process was long and arduous. That is why sudden inspiration was required to subdue the discussion at the moment when the brethren were most prepared (educated) to stand unanimous in favor of the decision. |
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12-14-2007, 12:53 AM | #36 |
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Certain hearts had to be softened. SWK went about trying to create the climate that would allow that to happen. Hence the long arduous campaign.
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12-14-2007, 12:59 AM | #37 |
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Hearts did not have to be softened, minds had to be prepared. The decision represeted a systematic dismantling of a fundamental component of the church's and many individual ideologies. The very men that were to lead this revolution had to be prepared to move foward without looking back.
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12-14-2007, 01:05 AM | #38 | |
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Of course there are numerous examples of apostles overtly disagreeing with each other. So I hope you will not say that it is impossible for them to disagree with each other and advocate binary opposites as the Lord's will (yes vs no). I think if you read (or re-read) the DOM biography you would have a better understanding of how the FP and Q12 operate and build consensus. There is a very, very human element to it. |
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12-14-2007, 01:17 AM | #39 | |
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I truly feel from what I have read that there already was consenus. Yet consensus isn't absolute acceptance. And that's where I don't think you understand me ... I am certain apostles overtly disagree with one another. They would not be effective leaders and would fail in a measure of their stewardship if they did not voice their opinion on all matters. Disagreement is not dissent. A compelling aspect of council is the human element. Yet equally compelling is the spiritual element. |
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12-14-2007, 01:22 AM | #40 |
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When, in your opinion, did consensus occur? ( I realize this is just a guess ).
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