What CG has taught me about The Rivalry

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Waters isn't even talking about the rivalry. He's just saying that the state of Utah is nothing next to Texas for football.

You know how Utah State really hates BYU, but BYU doesn't really care about Utah State? That's how Utah is as well. UofU is full of Utahns. BYU is full of non-Utahns who don't know or care about UoU.

Like Oklahoma State's big rivalry game is against Oklahoma. But OU's big game is against T.U.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

You know how Utah State really hates BYU, but BYU doesn't really care about Utah State? That's how Utah is as well. UofU is full of Utahns. BYU is full of non-Utahns who don't know or care about UoU.

Which is crazy, given how Utah has won the majority of games against BYU in the last 10-15 years. Any fans that don't care about a team that beats you more consistently than any other team are dumb asses.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Which is crazy, given how Utah has won the majority of games against BYU in the last 10-15 years. Any fans that don't care about a team that beats you more consistently than any other team are dumb asses.

If I really considered Utah a hated rival, I would follow them very closely. I would delight in watching them lose.

The fact is I don't follow them, and I don't really care if they lose or not.

However, I follow t.u. very closely, and watching t.u. lose is better than watching A&M win.

Hatred of a school must be something that has to be ingrained at a young age. It's hard to suddenly get furious about a school when you are old.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If I really considered Utah a hated rival, I would follow them very closely. I would delight in watching them lose.

The fact is I don't follow them, and I don't really care if they lose or not.

However, I follow t.u. very closely, and watching t.u. lose is better than watching A&M win.

Hatred of a school must be something that has to be ingrained at a young age. It's hard to suddenly get furious about a school when you are old.

Aha. So you define a rivalry in terms of level of hatred. Now I am starting to understand you.

I feel much the same way SU does, as stated at the beginning of the thread. I can honestly say that I don't know a single Ute fan on a personal level that I don't like. So I don't define this in terms of hatred, nor do I rejoice when the Utes lose. But given all of the history and tradition between the two schools, there is no other team I would rather see us beat. It's a game that I care about more than any other on BYU's schedule.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Aha. So you define a rivalry in terms of level of hatred. Now I am starting to understand you.

I feel much the same way SU does, as stated at the beginning of the thread. I can honestly say that I don't know a single Ute fan on a personal level that I don't like. So I don't define this in terms of hatred, nor do I rejoice when the Utes lose. But given all of the history and tradition between the two schools, there is no other team I would rather see us beat. It's a game that I care about more than any other on BYU's schedule.

Ha, now you are the one that doesn't understand rivalries.

[cougjunkie]

Does Texas even give a rats ass about aTm? I am sure Oklahoma is a much bigger rival. aTm is like Utah st. to BYU. Texas doesnt care about the little guys that never give them a game.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Does Texas even give a rats ass about aTm? I am sure Oklahoma is a much bigger rival. aTm is like Utah st. to BYU. Texas doesnt care about the little guys that never give them a game.

Oh, yes they do. It is actually a bigger game than the Texas/OU game. And like the BYU/Utah rivalry, win/loss records in a particular year are not a good barometer of how the game will turn out.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Does Texas even give a rats ass about aTm? I am sure Oklahoma is a much bigger rival. aTm is like Utah st. to BYU. Texas doesnt care about the little guys that never give them a game.

Some Texas fans will tell you the OU game is bigger, some will say the A&M is bigger. If you forced me to choose, based on what I know, I would say the OU game is bigger, and their hatred for Okies is a real thing.

But for 100% of A&M fans, t.u. is the big game.

A&M is the little brother, just like UofU.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Some Texas fans will tell you the OU game is bigger, some will say the A&M is bigger. If you forced me to choose, based on what I know, I would say the OU game is bigger, and their hatred for Okies is a real thing.

But for 100% of A&M fans, t.u. is the big game.

A&M is the little brother, just like UofU.

Nope. We hate Aggies more.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Some Texas fans will tell you the OU game is bigger, some will say the A&M is bigger. If you forced me to choose, based on what I know, I would say the OU game is bigger, and their hatred for Okies is a real thing.

But for 100% of A&M fans, t.u. is the big game.

A&M is the little brother, just like UofU.

OK, maybe Mike and I are the only ones that care about this, but I pinged a couple of my buddies from Austin last night and asked them "Which is the bigger rival for Texas, OU or aTm?" Here are the responses:

Friend #1:

OU because we keep losing to them! aTm hasn't been much of a threat in recent years.

Friend #2:

You ask a very difficult question - we hate them both so much!! I would have to give the edge though to atm. Unlike the Red River rivalry, the rivalry with atm is intrastate - they are always around whereas OU (which does suck) leaves the state after their game with us.