What were the prophesies of GBH?

[Solon]

Originally Posted by All-American

But the fact that they spoke about future events isn't what made them a προφήτης-- it's the fact that they spoke on behalf of the gods.

I agree with your overall point. But the greeks didn't separate the "speaking for the gods" from "the future" in oracles. A minor point, to be sure.

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by All-American

The word "Prophet" come from the Greek prophemi (as does the word "professor"). I don't think "prophet" is one who foretells, but one who speaks out. The term "prophet" thus implies that as a Prophet of God, the man speaks out in God's behalf. In this respect, a "prophecy" is simply the message from God through his Prophet.

That's not to say that a prophecy cannot foretell an event, if God should so wish. But when I look at the words of a man who claims to be a prophet, I'm going to look for what God wants me to know, not merely a prediction of the future.

Now talk your way out of "seer".

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Now talk your way out of "seer".

Does this ever get old for you, hyrum?

Just curious.

[All-American]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Now talk your way out of "seer".

You talk your way out of "asshat," and I'll talk my way out of "seer."

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by scottie

It was a proclamation, not a prophecy.

"We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

- The proclamation on the family

Does this not pass for a prophecy?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Adam

This is the classic fall back of the blind faithful: I'm sure they are really prophets, but just don't let us know what they are prophesying for some reason that is for our own good. We just need to believe and stop thinking and questioning.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

[Mormon Red Death]

Prophecy from October 2001 GC

"We have seen only the foreshadowing of the mighty force for good that this Church will become. And yet I marvel at what has been accomplished."

[All-American]

Originally Posted by Adam

Hyrum points our the seer is a specifically defined term in the standard works and a title that cannot honestly be applied to any of the current "prophets seers or revelators" and he is twice attacked rather viciously. Hyrum, you may now take your victory lap.

"Cannot honestly be applied"? How do you suppose you are going to go about proving THAT one?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yes, next time you are in Alpine, I invite you to meet my wife and 6 kids: Willard, Heber, Parley, Sariah, Hannah and Rachel. You may attend the gospel principles class I teach as the WML and see the flock I have reactivated and fellowship on a daily basis. I'll even let you look at my fast offering, tithing, PEF, and BYU donation tax receipts.

Yes by my fruits you shall know me.

Just because I reject the sour pablum you and so many others mistake for fine dining doesn't mean I am going hungry.

No dipshit, I was talking about the prophet; in reference to your tired and lazy use of the "blind faith" argument. The prophet gets revelations and puts those revelations into action via specific teachings and programs and we can see the fruits thereof and we can also ponder and pray about the merits thereof; none of which constitutes "blind faith".

Therefore, blind faith doesn't enter into the equation, except for sour old wankers like yourself that tries to somehow cling to the notion that they have a firm testimony of the gospel while time and time again have NOTHING positive to say about the church, its leaders or its members. If you'd stop pinching off the bitter fruit coming out of your ass, maybe we'd actually believe you believed for a change.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Adam

Charity never faileth indeed.

You are a fitting representative of your faction.

OK, let's hear you reconcile all your back-patting about your manifold good works at church with the endless spiteful and disdainful comments you make about the church and its leaders on this and other sites.

It goes beyond simple criticisms of the church; the way you state your criticisms shows a deeper problem than mere differences of opinion.