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Obviously, there are gray areas, but I maintain that the wealth redistribution of welfare state programs is basically state sponsored theft. But yes, it's hard to overcome Mike's emotional pleas re: poor sick kids dying, so I suppose some sort of safety net will never go away. That doesn't mean we need to expand it, and I think that net should be at the bare minimum and many programs done away with (programs that don't lift, but perpetually keep generations in poverty and destroy the work ethic of those "benefitting") or provided at the state level where there is more accountability to the people. All I hear from democrats (and many republicans) is an expansion of the welfare state into a more European cradle to grave system. I am very much opposed to that. My $.02.
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Fuck you. I'll decide what my duty is. You and your government stay the hell away from me. You are a fanatic. Please tell me you're just joking/trolling? Do you really think you have the right to tell someone else what their duty is? I'm leaning more and more towards getting the hell away from organized religion with shit like this being spewed. Who are the real mullahs?
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I am realizing why this sort of approach annoys me and confuses me so.... It is so extreme. It only allows for one approach....like mikewaters said, but with less profanity, "mine, mine, mine." Reaping what you sow is definitely a gospel principle. But your approach seems completely skewed to the darwinist component of the law of the harvest. It is completely devoid of compassion or thought for anyone else but yourself. According to your philosophy, if you are weak, meek, or otherwise incapable of producing, that is your own problem. I really hope I am misreading your post. If you dont mind, and I am being serious, can you help me identify the compassion in your post? The bigger spiritual picture that says, "yes, hey I have earned all of this, but maybe I don't NEED all of this, so I don't mind giving some of it up....not all of it, but some of it....because there are others who may need it and are not as capable as me of getting it."
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Overcoming selfishness is hard to do. Some people will never learn the first thing about it. Tell us your story, how you came to these beliefs about your fellow man. |
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That has to be one the most cutting, true movies every made. This thread is a witness to it. We are all selfish, lying creatures. But some of us feel bad for it, and want to do better, and actually try. |
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Your post tonight reminds me of that old Daffy Duck cartoon...Ali Baba Bunny. Seriously, this is what you sound like.
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That is my whole point in this thread....how can LDS people who claim to believe in the scriptures justify this attitude of "this is all mine and nobody better take anything from me." Also, "if you are needy, it is your own fault." Totally baffles me. mikewaters was certainly not the first person to argue for a little compassion for the poor. But it appears that on CG, he is one of the only people willing to do it.
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Or, you could Satan's route and force people to do the right thing. That's where the true growth lies. Economic prosperity, personal happiness, as history has shown, these are the results of compelling people to do what is right and redistributing their wealth for them. |
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07-26-2008, 05:32 AM | #40 | |
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It is fun to tease and make jokes, etc....but when push comes to shove, do LDS people really think, "this is ALL mine...I earned it....I oppose any attempts to take some of it and redistribute it to those that may need it more." Yikes, man. Hey, I hate paying taxes, too, and I love a nice payday, but I don't think I am ready to throw the needy off a bridge just yet.
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