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I think there's strong evidence that the 4 races I mentioned were deeply influenced by Obama's policies in general, and health care in particular. And Dems lost all but one. That's why the momentum is where it is. That's why Pelosi can't get her votes. Quote:
Dem's won't abandon the words "health care reform" but they are almost certain to abandon this wretched bill.
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I doubt it. Specter would definitely lose in PA on the Republican ticket. He is now only possibly going to lose on the Dem ticket. As for this bill, we shall see. |
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I don't have the data at my fingertips as to why I think NJ and VA revolved around national issues. But I'll do a little digging and get back to you. Are you going to defend your assertion that CA-10 was a national election, or are you conceding that it was not? On another note: since you don't think NJ, VA, or MA were nationalized, on what do you blame that fact that Pelosi suddenly can't get her votes? I could dicker with that, but maybe you're right. No matter how you slice it, Specter is in big trouble. That's what happens when you have no principles.
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I say MA was a nationalized referendum on Obama and on health care, and once the Dems saw the results, they decided keeping their jobs in November was more important to them than loyalty to Pelosi. They don't want to go home and face constituents, angry at having been ignored, or to hand a fat election issue to their opponents. If you disagree, fine, but let's hear some real political analysis.
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As for evidence supporting my contention that she lose because she was a lousy candidate: She started up 30 points. If this was a referendum on Obama or healthcare, there is no possible chance public opinion changed to the tune of 35 points in one month, particularly since polls in MA indicated support overall for the health care bill. She wouldn't have ever had a 30 point lead to start with if this was truly a reaction to Obama or health care. She went on vacation during the primary and took voters for granted. They didn't appreciate it. She said multiple stupid things regarding the Red Sox and, while that shouldn't be the basis for anyone's vote, it got her a lot of negative publicity. Obama still polls very favorably in MA. |
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I disagree. Been a busy day, but I'll try to get you some data as to why later.
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Not that I mind, necessarily. Obama says "this is a fight I want to have" ... I say "bring it on." The harder he pushes left, the more the Dems will lose critical elections.
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A classic montage video, courtesy of the left-leaning TalkingPointsMemo. They preface it with this commentary:
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Here's another link proposing what I described for health care, by the way: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...eeks-on-Reform Last edited by Cali Coug; 01-22-2010 at 10:19 PM. |
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