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I happen to believe personal revelation is an intensely personal thing. Does that mean we can't learn from someone else's explanations of how it works for them? No. But there are risks in getting too specific to too large and diverse an audience. When every word you say is scrutinized in detail and essentially carved in stone, there can be misunderstandings or misinterpretation. Some may try to imitate rather than emulate. Sometimes it's better to teach principles, and let people discover the application themselves. You can watch and read everything ever produced on the topic of skiing, but until you put your feet on the slope for the first time, you're no better a skier than the person who knows nothing. Quote:
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In each instance historically, the prophet selected someone he knew very well (often a relative or close acquaintance). This is why I get frustrated by the lack of minorities called to the office of the 12 (or the First Quorum of the 70, for that matter). It seems to reflect one of two issues: the prophet isn't associating closely with many minorities, or the prophet doesn't trust that there are any minorities with whom he is familiar who are capable of being an apostle. |
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I don't think the prophet sits around in his office, twiddling his thumbs, waiting for God to Fedex him the new apostle's name, and I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that. Obviously there is some personal judgment on the part of the man. The bottom line is, you either believe that Neil Andersen (or fill-in-the-blank) is the man God wanted to be there, or you don't. Those of you getting your panties in a twist about "gosh, ANOTHER white guy??" are really drifting toward the latter category, ignoring what the men you sustain as prophets are actually telling you.
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Of course. The Lord could have just as easily called Elder Andersen before Elder Cristofferson; as they were both suitable candidates.
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Possibly. Elder Andersen could name five. [*Cue Fusnik whine.] But he didn't, and so the inevitable conclusion among Borderlanders is that it's Monson's fault.
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Tex and Indy believe Elder Anderson is THE apostle which God wants now, and I'm not saying those two profess this, but some believe that God may have whispered the name into President Monson's ear, instead of President Monson taking to God in prayer. Others opine that he has been accepted by suggestion and that it really doesn't matter. In the end, both sides may accept him as an apostle, but the method of arrival differs. Now people will take issue by pointing to the verbiage used by leaders, he said the Lord chose. And I wouldn't argue one could use that verbiage if it was the Lord acquiesced. One makes a stronger plea, especially coming from a position of authority. The difference I don't believe necessarily that there is only one whom would have been accepted, and believe whom is selected is based in no small part upon the circle of associates known to the Prophet. If it weren't so, an apostle would occasionally be called from outside the circle.
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All of the evidence strongly suggests that the prophet selects the name and takes it to the Lord for confirmation, which also suggests many could be called and acceptable to the Lord. I sustain Elder Anderson because I believe he is an apostle. That doesn't mean I believe he is the only one who could have been an apostle. I wish they would look outside the circle of white guys educated in Utah or Idaho. |
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having selected a child-molester apostate once before among ethnic minorities, they may be a bit wary of selecting someone outside their circle of friends.
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