I really have zero respect for Islam

[MikeWaters]

when were the Afghans wealthy? 3000 BC?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

when were the Afghans wealthy? 3000 BC?

i am sure you arenot too young not to remember when it was a marvelous place to live ..to help you get close ..have you ever heard that bully country invade a place which has no wealth to plunder???

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

So Mormons should be known for their fruits of Utah's high rates of bankruptcy, anorexia, quack medicine, etc.?

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

i am sure you arenot too young not to remember when it was a marvelous place to live ..to help you get close ..have you ever heard that bully country invade a place which has no wealth to plunder???

are we measuring in goats, hemp rope, and smelly tents?

Maybe wealthy in culture and spirit and love. But materially? I guess there were some drug dealers that were getting rich. Is that what you mean?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

are we measuring in goats, hemp rope, and smelly tents?

Maybe wealthy in culture and spirit and love. But materially? I guess there were some drug dealers that were getting rich. Is that what you mean?

Relative to that part of the world, prior to the Taliban and the Soviet invasion, Afghanistan did experience a period of relative prosperity.

You are bit too smug on this point. Mindfulcoug is correct. Many of the Afghans who immigrated here had money as a result of that time.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Relative to that part of the world, prior to the Taliban and the Soviet invasion, Afghanistan did experience a period of relative prosperity.

You are bit too smug on this point. Mindfulcoug is correct. Many of the Afghans who immigrated here had money as a result of that time.

and iraqi dinar was equall as three dollars befor iran and iraq war ..go figure

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

are we measuring in goats, hemp rope, and smelly tents?

Maybe wealthy in culture and spirit and love. But materially? I guess there were some drug dealers that were getting rich. Is that what you mean?

have you heard about Roomy ,have you heard about EGHBal Lahory????? they are from Afghanestan among many pious ,intellectual ,brillinat people ..
do you wish to count them among "goats, hemp rope, smelly tent"??? you could do that.

ps:they were living at the time when westerners had no idea what a bathroom was!

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Here is the difference. Muslims take offense easily. It is too easy to offend Muslims in their sensitivities.

I remember a Buddhist saying, which I paraphrase. If you critisize me, take no offense. If you praise, pay no attention.

itsnot just about insulting ,becuase if it was so .. muslims would forgive it as we are told to do so in islam.
and you are going to disappoint me ,i expected YOU to know whats the story behind all the cartoons and books .

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

If Islam would speak out against the extremists as vigorously as they protest Western misunderstanding of their faith, I would be more sympathetic. Where is the moderate voice of Islam railing against extremism?

becuase moderate voice of islam draw low attention ,while extremists voice are heard every where even they are making an extremely small portion of a one and half billion muslims..guess why?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

becuase moderate voice of islam draw low attention ,while extremists voice are heard every where even they are making an extremely small portion of a one and half billion muslims..guess why?

How are moderate views even allowed to speak in Iran?

The image of Islam is that of a cavedwelling madman in Pakistan, willing to kill at the slightest movement without provocation.

It is not the image of the peaceful Al-Ghazali, preaching spiritual refinement to meet God.

Moderates will be overrun by radicals if moderates don't become more active.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

How are moderate views even allowed to speak in Iran?

The image of Islam is that of a cavedwelling madman in Pakistan, willing to kill at the slightest movement without provocation.

It is not the image of the peaceful Al-Ghazali, preaching spiritual refinement to meet God.

Moderates will be overrun by radicals if moderates don't become more active.

achiving hight ability to recognise God through heart doesnot mean you will have to surrender to oppression ,or keep quite when you see injustice you probably mixing up sufism and ignorance /carelessness
just tell me what would you expect the people around the world to do for you ,if you were a palestinaian or an iraqi or an afgan.