Ms. Clinton

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Overstating things a bit? What has she done as US Senator to demonstrate to you that she would be the "worst societal calamity of our lives?"

She doesn't have the power.

First, she had her health care debacle of Bill's first term.

Second, she, in her tirade against Republicans lied about Bill and his affairs. She evinced a hatred for religion.

Third, she has one of the worst and most liberal voting records in the Senate. I would have to review her votes on judicial appointments, but my memory of her comments toward good appointments is that she was negatively inclined.

We would see an effort to socialize medicine.

We would see increase tax rates.

We would see further bias against religion in federal policies.

We would see capitulation to Europe in foreign diplomacy.

We would see further divisions at the social level, black/white and so forth. Her liberal economic and social agenda would further divide and already divided country.

She has never demonstrated any ability to unite factions.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

I stand amazed as all the buzz circles around Hillary and Obama, who has run nothing, talks in feel-good generalities, and will not even be a full-term senator by the election. Americans are going to turn over the country to that guy? The election is there for the taking and the Democrats are dancing with these two. Amazing.

If they had any sense at all they would look to someone like Bayh out of Indiana.

I think Bayh will actually make a good run of things. Edwards could be strong too. Richardson is interesting, though I don't think he can win. I think the Democratic primaries are very tough to predict this election. If I had to guess, I would say Obama comes out on top (and I think he would be a good selection).

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

She doesn't have the power.

First, she had her health care debacle of Bill's first term.

Second, she, in her tirade against Republicans lied about Bill and his affairs. She evinced a hatred for religion.

Third, she has one of the worst and most liberal voting records in the Senate. I would have to review her votes on judicial appointments, but my memory of her comments toward good appointments is that she was negatively inclined.

We would see an effort to socialize medicine.

We would see increase tax rates.

We would see further bias against religion in federal policies.

We would see capitulation to Europe in foreign diplomacy.

We would see further divisions at the social level, black/white and so forth. Her liberal economic and social agenda would further divide and already divided country.

She has never demonstrated any ability to unite factions.

I think you left off that the world would suddenly end.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I think you left off that the world would suddenly end.

You disagree, which is fine, but has she done anything that shows an ability to unite?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

You disagree, which is fine, but has she done anything that shows an ability to unite?

Do you mean "unite" in the Bush sense of the term or in some other sense?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Do you mean "unite" in the Bush sense of the term or in some other sense?

Well, Bush wasn't known as divisive and look how divisively Democrats have taken his policies. He was initially seen as a Texas moderate that some Dems praised.

So a known divider would be a nightmare. I can think of none of her tendencies that wouldn't cause almost mayhem in the streets.

[ute4ever]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070121/...tics_poll_dc_1

A national poll reported in The Washington Post, asking which Democratic candidate the voter presently favors, gives the following result:

Clinton 41%
Obama 17%
Edwards 11%
Gore 10%
Kerry 8%

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by ute4ever

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070121/...tics_poll_dc_1

A national poll reported in The Washington Post, asking which Democratic candidate the voter presently favors, gives the following result:

Clinton 41%
Obama 17%
Edwards 11%
Gore 10%
Kerry 8%

Kerry still gets 8%? Who are these people?

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Kerry still gets 8%? Who are these people?

Theresa's servants.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by myboynoah

I stand amazed as all the buzz circles around Hillary and Obama, who has run nothing, talks in feel-good generalities, and will not even be a full-term senator by the election. Americans are going to turn over the country to that guy? The election is there for the taking and the Democrats are dancing with these two. Amazing.

If they had any sense at all they would look to someone like Bayh out of Indiana.

Bayh has already announced he is not running.